[WTCC/IFM/F2] 2009 Season

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Bottom post of the previous page:

I am still amazed that incident happened. I don't think you can only blame the SC driver, as it was a total failure of the coordination around the control of the race.

I would like to thank the FIA for finally penalising the cheating Seats before last weekend. It was a pleasure to watch those yellow cars trailing around near the back for most of the first race and being overtaken by privateer petrol powered Leons.
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The first lap of the race was pretty crazy.

Why were the SEATs cheating? I don't follow WTCC.
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The SEATS weren't cheating, it was claimed (by BMW) that they had an unfair advantage because they have a Diesel Turbo. The amount of bar (boost pressure) that the SEATS could run was determined on a race by race basis judged by altitude and temperature, now it is set to 2.5 bar for every track regardless.

The FIA have fucked the series up. They won't be able to create a parity between Normally aspirated Petrol vs. Turbo Diesel because of the different pro's and con's of each engine e.g. the Diesel producing more Torque.

For those saying why don't BMW get a diesel it seems fuel consumption is an issue according to a poster on the crash.net comments section. Easier for SEAT to go back to a petrol, its working for Tom Coronel.
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The Seats have had a big advantage since moving to the diesel. Before the diesel they constantly complained that the BMWs had too much of an advantage and they couldn't compete with them. That is rubbish as Alfa for many years competed evenly with BMW, it is just that Seat couldn't build a decent enough car and they weren't happy with that. When they moved to the Diesel they complained every time the FIA attempted to peg back their advantage. The BMW was still the better car, the Seat was all about it's TDI engine. At Marrakech BMW Team Germany asked the FIA to investigate whether the Seats were running too much boost, over the regulations. It was discovered they were and convieniently only Monteiro was punished, the top 3 Seats were not penalised. However. Come Pau the FIA then asked that the Seats turn down their boost even further. Coincidence? I don't think so, and neither do many other people. Seat then moaned more and asked that the rest of the field be investigated after qualifying in Pau as they felt that the rev limit for downshifts was being exceeded. That is something that is hard to disprove as is it easy to over-rev when curb hopping...

Seat have made many enemies over the last few years and their absence from WTCC would be a positive thing. The FIA cannot continually allow Seat to get their own way and I'm happy that the FIA were harsh on them on the run up to Pau. Seat have yet again threatened to withdraw following the boost revision at Pau, even though they are 1 - 2 - 3 in the Championship. So we may not see the Seats for the rest of the season. Last year in the BTCC Alan Gow put Seat UK in their place and they had a strop and withdrew.
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BTW, following Seat's complaint at the weekend and the subsequent penalty handed out to drivers who exceeded the permitted downshift rev limit the stewards did the same checks after the races.... the results are hilarious....
FIAWTCC.com wrote: Robert Huff and Alain Menu claimed two victories for Chevrolet on the infamous streets of Pau, extending the new Cruze’s winning streak to four.
Huff and Menu were able to be in the right place at the right moment, when Farfus went wide on the oil in Race 1 and when Engstler had an incident with the safety car in Race 2. Then they both used the best of their skills and the narrow track to keep Augusto Farfus behind.
The Brazilian youngster, as well as his fellow BMW driver Andy Priaulx, scored important points for the German manufacturer and they climbed positions in the standing although they still have to claim a win.
SEAT’s weekend was the worst they have had in a long time. However Yvan Muller and Gabriele Tarquini managed to score some points that might prove crucial for the rest of the season.
The championship will resume in Valencia, Spain, on May 31st, for rounds 9 and 10.

FINAL UPDATE
After the technical checks, the following cars were found not complying with the engine speed limit and /or the supercharged air pressure: n. 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 9, 14, 18, 19, 20, 21, 23, 29, 30 and 33.
The Stewards, taking into account the exceptional circumstances and confusion, decided to impose a reprimand to the competitors concerned, who were reminded that their cars must comply with all the technical regulations for the remaining events of the season.
So let me list this out so everyone knows who the "guilty" parties were:

01 Yvan Muller (SEAT)
02 Gabriele Tarquini (SEAT)
03 Rickard Rydell (SEAT)
04 Jordi Gené (SEAT)
05 Tiago Monteiro (SEAT)
09 Alessandro Zanardi (BMW)
14 Nicola Larini (Chevrolet)
18 Jaap van Lagen (Lada)
19 Kirill Ladygin (Lada)
20 Viktor Shapovalov (Lada)
21 Tom Coronel (SEAT)
23 Félix Porteiro (BMW)
29 Eric Cayrolle (SEAT)
30 Mehdi Bennani (SEAT)
33 Laurent Cazenave (BMW)

All I can say is well done Seat. After the complaint they lodged against the other teams they themselves got caught out :haha:
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That means that in total 20 of the 26 cars that participated in the weekend were deemed illegal at some point during the weekend. That has to be a record :haha:
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SEAT's Audi-esque behaviour was far below the belt. From their times they easily could have competed but they chose not to.
It was weird enough that Tarquini once more got away at Marrakech with some soft penalty. A penalty , the decision took 3 re-runs from Puebla to Marrakech

Come race 2 at Pau the leading BMW of Franz Engstler gets wrecked by the safety car, a Chevy, which after some investigation was not even allowed to go out at the very moment. Funny co-incidence though that the race winner then was Alain Menu on Chevy.
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kals wrote: 01 Yvan Muller (SEAT)
02 Gabriele Tarquini (SEAT)
03 Rickard Rydell (SEAT)
04 Jordi Gené (SEAT)
05 Tiago Monteiro (SEAT)
09 Alessandro Zanardi (BMW)
14 Nicola Larini (Chevrolet)
18 Jaap van Lagen (Lada)
19 Kirill Ladygin (Lada)
20 Viktor Shapovalov (Lada)
21 Tom Coronel (SEAT)
23 Félix Porteiro (BMW)
29 Eric Cayrolle (SEAT)
30 Mehdi Bennani (SEAT)
33 Laurent Cazenave (BMW)
:haha: There were more SEAT's in trouble then any of the other marques! :haha:
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Don't know if it was mentioned yet but Alex Wurz had a similar accident once in a F3 race at the AVUS
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