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The 2020 Indy Lights season has been cancelled. The series has been on death row for some time now, but it's a bummer for the drivers. IndyCar needs to take a good, hard look at their ladder system.
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How many rungs does a ladder have to have to still be classified as a ladder? :wink:

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Everso Biggyballies wrote: 3 years agoHow many rungs does a ladder have to have to still be classified as a ladder? :wink:
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John wrote: 3 years ago The 2020 Indy Lights season has been cancelled. The series has been on death row for some time now, but it's a bummer for the drivers. IndyCar needs to take a good, hard look at their ladder system.
Probably a similar deal to elsewhere in the world. Just too many series around catering to the same level.

I mean, what's the point of the F3 Americas series and Indy Lights both existing?

Same question over F4 USA and the two F2000 series?
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MonteCristo wrote: 3 years ago
John wrote: 3 years ago The 2020 Indy Lights season has been cancelled. The series has been on death row for some time now, but it's a bummer for the drivers. IndyCar needs to take a good, hard look at their ladder system.
Probably a similar deal to elsewhere in the world. Just too many series around catering to the same level.

I mean, what's the point of the F3 Americas series and Indy Lights both existing?

Same question over F4 USA and the two F2000 series?
Well, considering the drivers that progressed through Road to Indy, it does work quite well. BUT, Lights just needs more cars. That is the only problem really. More cars. Then it would be ace.

The step in horsepower between F3 and Lights is quite big, so there needs to be something between F3/Indy Pro 2000 and Indycar.
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Cheeveer wrote: 3 years ago
MonteCristo wrote: 3 years ago
John wrote: 3 years ago The 2020 Indy Lights season has been cancelled. The series has been on death row for some time now, but it's a bummer for the drivers. IndyCar needs to take a good, hard look at their ladder system.
Probably a similar deal to elsewhere in the world. Just too many series around catering to the same level.

I mean, what's the point of the F3 Americas series and Indy Lights both existing?

Same question over F4 USA and the two F2000 series?
Well, considering the drivers that progressed through Road to Indy, it does work quite well. BUT, Lights just needs more cars. That is the only problem really. More cars. Then it would be ace.

The step in horsepower between F3 and Lights is quite big, so there needs to be something between F3/Indy Pro 2000 and Indycar.
For sure.

But clearly there isn't enough either driver interest, or sponsor interest, for more cars. The interest/money is being diluted instead.

It's a similar story in Australia. There used to be F4000 and F3 here - but they diluted each other. F4000 died, and F3 got stronger. But now there is an F4 series in addition to F3, and numbers are down again. Not enough going around to support two series - doesn't matter how powerful one car is compared to the other if they cannibalise each other because they cater to the same core market.

Like I said, too many series. What exactly does the F3/F4 stream feed into? Sports cars? Aren't there tin top feeder sports cars series?

Indycar needs to sit down with SCCA.
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MonteCristo wrote: 3 years ago
John wrote: 3 years ago The 2020 Indy Lights season has been cancelled. The series has been on death row for some time now, but it's a bummer for the drivers. IndyCar needs to take a good, hard look at their ladder system.
Probably a similar deal to elsewhere in the world. Just too many series around catering to the same level.

I mean, what's the point of the F3 Americas series and Indy Lights both existing?

Same question over F4 USA and the two F2000 series?
Plus Lights are so damn expensive. Andretti has pretty much been keeping that series afloat for the past couple of seasons.
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jimclark wrote: 3 years ago
Everso Biggyballies wrote: 3 years agoHow many rungs does a ladder have to have to still be classified as a ladder? :wink:
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Good answer. Big fan here, and have 'Gimme back my Bullets' somewhere in my 'old fart' vinyl collection....

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MonteCristo wrote: 3 years agoIndycar needs to sit down with SCCA.
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MonteCristo wrote: 3 years ago
It's a similar story in Australia. There used to be F4000 and F3 here - but they diluted each other. F4000 died, and F3 got stronger. But now there is an F4 series in addition to F3, and numbers are down again. Not enough going around to support two series - doesn't matter how powerful one car is compared to the other if they cannibalise each other because they cater to the same core market.
CAMS/MAUS actually killed F4 last year. I think F3 is technically still extant but it's basically a glorified club series at this point. Formula Ford is the only strong national lower series now, which is ironic since CAMS tried very hard to kill it to get F4 going.
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theracer120 wrote: 3 years ago
MonteCristo wrote: 3 years ago
It's a similar story in Australia. There used to be F4000 and F3 here - but they diluted each other. F4000 died, and F3 got stronger. But now there is an F4 series in addition to F3, and numbers are down again. Not enough going around to support two series - doesn't matter how powerful one car is compared to the other if they cannibalise each other because they cater to the same core market.
CAMS/MAUS actually killed F4 last year. I think F3 is technically still extant but it's basically a glorified club series at this point. Formula Ford is the only strong national lower series now, which is ironic since CAMS tried very hard to kill it to get F4 going.
Oh that's good news, thanks for that. Hopefully F3 stays alive at this point and then recovers over the next few years.
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Braden Eves had a big shunt during the Indy Pro 2000 race yesterday.



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John wrote: 3 years ago Braden Eves had a big shunt during the Indy Pro 2000 race yesterday.
Damn. That rear wheel... WTF happened there.
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Thread split. Area warrants own topic.
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Meanwhile at Indy, Eduardo Barrichello had his first win in USF2000.

16 years old. Son of... somebody :P.

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