Round 7: 2020 Indianapolis 500

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John wrote: 3 years agoBetween all the wrecks that was a pretty good race, plenty of dicing through the field.
Damn well better be when they're all the same DW12s, parts and two spec, sealed, powertrains........ :wink:
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jimclark wrote: 3 years ago
Cheeveer wrote: 3 years ago1 lap from being a 3 time winner.
Huh? :huh:

How does that work again.....??? :dunno:
Didnt he spin out of the lead / trying to take the led one lap from the flag when under pressure, and got nudged by someone (Franchitti?) several years ago, a couple of years before he won the first time. Had he not been nudged, or been a bit more Indy savvy he would have won. Had he not been nudged and won then he would be a 3 time winner.
I think that might be it. :dunno:

Edit : Found this video and yeah,I was nearly right..... it was Dario Sato tried to go inside him for the lead and got squeezed, there was contact, Sato was a spinner Dario a winner.


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Everso Biggyballies wrote: 3 years ago
jimclark wrote: 3 years ago
Cheeveer wrote: 3 years ago1 lap from being a 3 time winner.
Huh? :huh:

How does that work again.....??? :dunno:
Didnt he spin out of the lead / trying to take the led one lap from the flag when under pressure, and got nudged by someone (Franchitti?) several years ago, a couple of years before he won the first time. Had he not been nudged, or been a bit more Indy savvy he would have won. Had he not been nudged and won then he would be a 3 time winner.
I think that might be it. :dunno:

Edit : Found this video and yeah,I was nearly right..... it was Dario Sato tried to go inside him for the lead and got squeezed, there was contact, Sato was a spinner Dario a winner.

Franchitti was crazy lucky not to get binned as well in that.
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jimclark wrote: 3 years ago
John wrote: 3 years agoBetween all the wrecks that was a pretty good race, plenty of dicing through the field.
Damn well better be when they're all the same DW12s, parts and two spec, sealed, powertrains........ :wink:
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Slept on it, still feel robbed. Should have been a green flag finish.
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DoubleFart wrote: 3 years ago Slept on it, still feel robbed. Should have been a green flag finish.
Would have taken 90 minutes to fix the barrier. Then you would have one lap shootout on stone cold tyres, not to mention it was getting dark.

Would never have happened.
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John wrote: 3 years ago
DoubleFart wrote: 3 years ago Slept on it, still feel robbed. Should have been a green flag finish.
Would have taken 90 minutes to fix the barrier.
Seriously? That's mental. The LeMans team fix barriers in the dead of night quicker than that :twothumbs:
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The damage to the pit lane entry was pretty severe and not a 10 minute fix by a loooonnng way. Re Le Mans I can remember many instances where the SC has been out for 40 minutes or more for track/barrier repairs.

Also with no spectators to worry about meeting broadcast deadlines may be an influence. Broadcasters dont want to be waiting for half an hour or more , having to delay and reschedule programming just for a 5 minute finale.

As it was, given the amount of yellow time we here just saw the start of the podium, didnt see any trophy presentation beyond the milk, and a quick word with Satobefore they rolled the credits and went to regular programming.

Its not the first time that the race has finished under a pace car I dont think. (Just checked.... 50% of the last 18 years have ended under a pace car!
This was the ninth time in the past 18 years that the Indy 500 has ended with a caution flag, most recently in 2013 when the last five laps were run under yellow

The following year, IndyCar (under the leadership of a different race director than Sunday) elected to red-flag the race for more than 10 minutes to ensure the final seven laps were green – a decision that earned the ire of some in the series.

In a statement Sunday, IndyCar said the series “makes every effort to end races under green, but in this case following the assessment of the incident, there were too few laps remaining to gather the field behind the pace car, issue a red flag and then restart for a green-flag finish.”
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I think what they did was the right call.

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Besides, yeah, we all wanted the race to finish under green, but considering the awesome racing we had for the last 50 laps, I'm not going to be too unhappy about it. Sato took the lead and had it all set when Pigot wrecked, I'm glad that he got to reap the rewards at the end. At Rahal or Dixon (who was what, a second behind and not looking to close the gap?) won the race on a one-lap shootout, that would have been bad.

Or even worse, Sato, Dixon and Rahal all wreck on the restart and Santucci wins the race.
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John wrote: 3 years ago
Or even worse, Sato, Dixon and Rahal all wreck on the restart and Santucci wins the race.
They deffo made the right call given that scenario. After all he is an undeserving C***bag or whatever the radio message was..

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John wrote: 3 years agoOr even worse, Sato, Dixon and Rahal all wreck on the restart and Santucci wins the race.
They 100% made the right decision.
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DoubleFart wrote: 3 years ago
John wrote: 3 years agoOr even worse, Sato, Dixon and Rahal all wreck on the restart and Santucci wins the race.
They 100% made the right decision.
You just can't take any chances with these things.
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I'm quite happy race control didn't red flag the race. I find that 5 laps sprints are rather anticlimactic to what was supposed to be a 500 miler.
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But....but....but the "show" doncha' know....? :roll:

Also, on the business side, I bet if there were fans in the house there would have been a red.....
Another half hour+ of lull time....? Din-din time...everybody gettin' a li'l hungry....?
Gotta' increase the concession revenue. $$$.
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jimclark wrote: 3 years ago But....but....but the "show" doncha' know....? :roll:

Also, on the business side, I bet if there were fans in the house there would have been a red.....
Another half hour+ of lull time....? Din-din time...everybody gettin' a li'l hungry....?
Gotta' increase the concession revenue. $$$.
I read somewhere that the Pace car was used as Indy waaaayy back in 1911 or thereabouts.... one of the purposes was the ability to put the race on hold for long enough so spectators could take advantage of the popcorn / refreshment stands etc without missing any of the actual race. Implying that even in the earliest of days it was used with a secondary to safety use. ie keep the $$ rolling in whatever needs to be done.

Plus of course the exposure benefits and commercial / marketing realities to a manufacturer (and $$ to the promoter)of having their flagship car used as the pace car.

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The show matters. Be it IndyCar, F1, MLB or whatever. If the cash flow stops, so does the league.

I don't see how this comes off as strange. Also if I had to choose between red-flagging the race and going into "Overtime" I'd choose the first. Even though I'd rather see races finish under yellow as they did now. It's 500 miles, not 502.5.

But we're dinosaurs in a changing world (I say, 35 years old).
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