DoubleFart wrote: ↑3 years ago
So many people being thankful for the aeroscreen tonight on twatter.
Umm.
The incidents I saw (Power, Herta, Veejay) didn't involve the aeroscreen at all. It *could* have helped if the impacts were slightly different, but equally if my auntie had a penis she'd be my uncle.
I agree it did nothing. He ran over him from behind, and the car went clean over the top.
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DoubleFart wrote: ↑3 years ago
So many people being thankful for the aeroscreen tonight on twatter.
Umm.
The incidents I saw (Power, Herta, Veejay) didn't involve the aeroscreen at all. It *could* have helped if the impacts were slightly different, but equally if my auntie had a penis she'd be my uncle.
I agree it did nothing. He ran over him from behind, and the car went clean over the top.
Exactly. Very standard Indycar crash.
I'm not willing to debate it with them because they're the same people who said "OMG HALO SAVED CHARLES FROM BEING HIT BY A WHEEL AT SPA!!!!11!!!1!!1"
I argued that it didn't at the time, and I think only @Ian-S agreed with me at the time, but I was just a halo hater.
Months later FIA come out and say the wheel wasn't going to hit Charles...
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MonteCristo wrote: ↑2 years agoVettel: Not a fan at all on track. But off track, good guy.
Edit: oh ok, seen them now, yeah it's the Hagon Dias effect, just look at the reaction I got in the other thread "but but but it saved Charles you just want to see people die" or words to that effect.
I can see where these things will be a benefit, but anybody who says they saved the drivers last night are delusional or don't understand physics.
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No idea if Veekay would have been hit or not, but regardless, I'm good not knowing. Same with Power's wheel who easily could have smacked him or someone else when it was flying around.
Ericsson said he was absolutely showered in debris from the Herta crash. It did it's job.
Anyway, just seen the highlights. Impressive race by Pags.
Marshall Pruett is talking bollocks. The floor of the car was sending it up the moment it touched the rear wheel - it's going over the rollhoop, which unless the car bends, is not going to impact the driver.
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MonteCristo wrote: ↑2 years agoVettel: Not a fan at all on track. But off track, good guy.
I don't get why people are so obsessed over this. Who cares? Why do people need to know wether or not Driver X would have been decapitated? Why not just settle with "Having a racing car fly around inches from peoples' heads = bad, it's good that the halo and aero screen exist".
It's there, it works, it definitely saved a few lives already, it might have made a difference for Leclerc and Veekay. Why not just leave it at that?
Because part of the allure is the danger, our heroes flirting with death everytime they step in a car in persuit of nothing more than the glory of being the first man (or women) to the finish.
After all if it is so safe and easy anybody could do it, then why bother? Why should I be in awe of the drivers if as Dale Jr put it, a trained monkey could drive a lap round the track and there is no risk, might as well just do it on a computer at home and call that sport.... Oh wait.
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Ian-S wrote: ↑3 years ago
Because part of the allure is the danger, our heroes flirting with death everytime they step in a car in persuit of nothing more than the glory of being the first man (or women) to the finish.
After all if it is so safe and easy anybody could do it, then why bother? Why should I be in awe of the drivers if as Dale Jr put it, a trained monkey could drive a lap round the track and there is no risk, might as well just do it on a computer at home and call that sport.... Oh wait.
If you call F1 and Indycar so "safe and easy" that anybody can do it, I don't know what there is for you to follow other than the IoM and Paris-Dakar (or whatever it's called these days).
But we're sliding away from the topic, we already have a topic where we discuss the pros and cons of safety.
The issue isn't whether it's good or bad, it's right or wrong.
Bedwetters shouting that it saved lives when it didn't damage progress, just like deniers damage progress if they deny that safety tools would help.
Halo - saying it saved lives that it didn't gives a false sense of security, and we won't arrive for further safety improvements - the aeroscreen may actually be a better safety measure for instance.
Deniers are equally an issue, as saying a clear danger isn't an issue ends up with situations like letting a JCB go out on track at Brazil 03, and then Nurburgring 07, and then....
I am a man of logic, science and reasoning. I want to know why a crash happens, and how we can reduce or prevent serious injury and death. Lying doesn't help that cause.
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MonteCristo wrote: ↑2 years agoVettel: Not a fan at all on track. But off track, good guy.
Cheeveer wrote: ↑3 years ago
Maybe this question has been answered already, but why was the restart called off?
Pato jumped the start.
that's BS. And that call caused a huge crash. Utter BS.
I don't know, it looks like he went before the restart zone. I saw elsewhere that Colton's spotter told him it was green even before the green flag waved and the caution lights were still on. So if anything his spotter might be the one to blame here.
