This year's TT carnage...

[White six]

Fill me in on how and why this is acceptable in this day and age?

[MonteCristo]

I guess it harks back to old school freedom to take risks at your own expense.

I have no problem if people know the risks, and they surely all do.

[Michkov]

No one is putting a gun to the riders heads. I'm willing to consider the acceptability when bikes go flying into crowds, not when riders freely choose to run.

[Microsprinter18]

To be fair, I think it's "grandfathered in" at this point like Monaco is...

[MonteCristo]

No one is putting a gun to the riders heads. I'm willing to consider the acceptability when bikes go flying into crowds, not when riders freely choose to run.

Yep.

One in three die trying to climb Annapurna. Ban it!

[Vassago]

I believe there are more "amateurs" or "part-timers" competing at TT overall these days and the level of competition is kinda going down? Checked the Senior TT entry list, same old names at the front like it was 2015 or earlier, McGuinness, Rutter, Hutchinson. However I see Glenn Irwin has entered too?

Anyway, I have a feeling there is a lowering of the standards going on and that will increase the number of fatal accidents.

[DoubleFart]

The people who have died this year are not rookies to riding a bike or sidecar. They're experienced in other championships, some front runners. Others are extremely experienced at IOM.

[Everso Biggyballies]

The people who have died this year are not rookies to riding a bike or sidecar. They're experienced in other championships, some front runners. Others are extremely experienced at IOM.

I think two of the three sidecar fatalities were, although well experienced, were IoM rookies. The son was a first timer at the island as were both the French guys.

Interesting that all three sidecar fatalities happened at the same bit of track at Ago's leap.

Already the most fatalities in a single year since 1989 when there were also 5.

[julif]

The people who have died this year are not rookies to riding a bike or sidecar. They're experienced in other championships, some front runners. Others are extremely experienced at IOM.

I think two of the three sidecar fatalities were, although well experienced, were IoM rookies. The son was a first timer at the island as were both the French guys.

Interesting that all three sidecar fatalities happened at the same bit of track at Ago's leap.

Already the most fatalities in a single year since 1989 when there were also 5.

2014 also had 5 deaths.

[Everso Biggyballies]

The people who have died this year are not rookies to riding a bike or sidecar. They're experienced in other championships, some front runners. Others are extremely experienced at IOM.

I think two of the three sidecar fatalities were, although well experienced, were IoM rookies. The son was a first timer at the island as were both the French guys.

Interesting that all three sidecar fatalities happened at the same bit of track at Ago's leap.

Already the most fatalities in a single year since 1989 when there were also 5.

2014 also had 5 deaths.

Whoops.... I read it somewhere ... just checked and in fact1989 actually had 8 fatalities on the IOM, 5 at the TT and 3 at the Manx, 2 months later, so what I read was referring to just the TT not the Isle of Man in total..

2014 did have 5 fatalities on the Isle of Man but only 2 at the TT with the other 3 at the Manx (a totally different event) that year. But I did say the whole year so my comment was at best misleading (ie wrong! ), and should have specified at the TT rather than the entire year.. I should have read it more carefully.

Full list of fatalities in this (Wiki)link.... it shows by fatality the date / year and event. I guess the source I read was just referring to the TT deaths only rather than the Island including the Manx. But you are right, there were 5 deaths at the IOM overall in 2014.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_I ... fatalities

[Andy]

The people who have died this year are not rookies to riding a bike or sidecar. They're experienced in other championships, some front runners. Others are extremely experienced at IOM.

I think two of the three sidecar fatalities were, although well experienced, were IoM rookies. The son was a first timer at the island as were both the French guys.

Interesting that all three sidecar fatalities happened at the same bit of track at Ago's leap.

Already the most fatalities in a single year since 1989 when there were also 5.

In the exact same spot.
Foto below shows the wall past the first accident last Saturday. After the 2nd accident on Friday, the wall and fence to the right broke off entirely

[Andy]

The people who have died this year are not rookies to riding a bike or sidecar. They're experienced in other championships, some front runners. Others are extremely experienced at IOM.

I think two of the three sidecar fatalities were, although well experienced, were IoM rookies. The son was a first timer at the island as were both the French guys.

Interesting that all three sidecar fatalities happened at the same bit of track at Ago's leap.

Already the most fatalities in a single year since 1989 when there were also 5.

2014 also had 5 deaths.

Whoops.... I read it somewhere ... just checked and in fact1989 actually had 8 fatalities on the IOM, 5 at the TT and 3 at the Manx, 2 months later, so what I read was referring to just the TT not the Isle of Man in total..

2014 did have 5 fatalities on the Isle of Man but only 2 at the TT with the other 3 at the Manx (a totally different event) that year. But I did say the whole year so my comment was at best misleading (ie wrong! ), and should have specified at the TT rather than the entire year.. I should have read it more carefully.

Full list of fatalities in this (Wiki)link.... it shows by fatality the date / year and event. I guess the source I read was just referring to the TT deaths only rather than the Island including the Manx. But you are right, there were 5 deaths at the IOM overall in 2014.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_I ... fatalities

I've got a very accurate book on every fallen rider until 2016 at home. I'll dig it out when I'm back home come Tuesday or Wednesday

[mattia2]

Well, imho i think that sidecars are gone from the island. I'm sad to say it, but 2 crashes in the same point of the track with devastating consequences for both teams is not a coincidence. They're too fast and too unstable on the bumps, even the birchall's almost lost it at ago's leap this year. Either they slow the sidecars down a lot or they will not be there next year.

[julif]

Well, imho i think that sidecars are gone from the island. I'm sad to say it, but 2 crashes in the same point of the track with devastating consequences for both teams is not a coincidence. They're too fast and too unstable on the bumps, even the birchall's almost lost it at ago's leap this year. Either they slow the sidecars down a lot or they will not be there next year.

I'd like to see them slow down rather than not seeing them at all... But then again if sidecars will be banned, at least there won't be any more fatalities...

[Andy]

Well, imho i think that sidecars are gone from the island. I'm sad to say it, but 2 crashes in the same point of the track with devastating consequences for both teams is not a coincidence. They're too fast and too unstable on the bumps, even the birchall's almost lost it at ago's leap this year. Either they slow the sidecars down a lot or they will not be there next year.

... But then again if sidecars will be banned, at least there won't be any more fatalities...

Ban the TT would be the underlying motion, as the same could be said about the singles.
It's wrong though because it's an argument against the freedom of choice. But I'm not surprised that the woke cancel culture is up on the fence against it, using health &safety grounds in their favour.