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Bottom post of the previous page:

Sedre wrote: 1 year ago Willy Atwood's notes are corrected: http://motorsportmemorial.org/focus.php?db=ct&n=6244
Good work. :thumbsup:

Only thing I would add is that the following sources associated to the previous incorrect info re Silverstone and the International Trophy meeting in the post are now irrelevant and indeed misleading. (ie would be better removed)
Website Racing Circuits, by Daniel King, page http://www.the-fastlane.co.uk/racingcir ... e1952.html . (Silverstone ref. is misleading)
Website World Sports Racing Prototypes, by Martin Krejčí, page http://www.wsrp.ic.cz/intgb1957.html#8 .
Website The GEL Motorsport Information Page, by Darren Galpin, chapter The Formula One Archives, page http://www.silhouet.com/motorsport/arch ... 7.html#int .

The source more relevant is the Leicester local paper article @Motorsportrace added earlier today that sparked this discussion.

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Everso Biggyballies wrote: 1 year agoI know there is a Wiki reference to club racing fatalities which also says it was Silverstone and mentions the International Trophy race support Sports Car Race. I suspect the poster of that page would have sourced the info to Willy Atwood from MM rather than the other way round.

Actually I just checked the MM sources listed in relation to the Atwood info for any further clues. Most of the sources are more to do with his US and Services info and his family background, but the two credible Motor Sport sources ( listed below) show no mention of the name Willy Atwood anywhere in their info. They show only the same high calibre drivers I mentioned previously. In fact the link to Galpin's website just shows the F1 feature race details.
These are the links in the MM motorsport sources listed.
Darren Galpin's website http://www.silhouet.com/motorsport/arch ... 7.html#int
and Martin Krejčí, page http://www.wsrp.ic.cz/intgb1957.html#8

In essence none of the sources relating to the motor racing sources have any mention to Attwood being there at all. In fact the only words anywhere that may have led to the confusion is that despite the calibre of the drivers in the Sportscar race at Silverstone, it was indeed a non Championship Sports Car race, being I suspect an invitation type event albeit of a high calibre as one would expect for a major F1 meeting such as the International Trophy Meeting.

I tried to search Mallory Park meetings on that day but was unable to find anything, but I only briefly attempted that avenue.

The only part of the MM acount of the accident I can agree with appears to be the fact that Atwood received fatal injuries when his Austin-Healey sportscar crashed and overturned, the same info which appeared with more detail in the Leicester newspaper account.

Perhaps someone looking for the event simply saw he mention of Non Championship Sportscar race 14/9/57 and therefore mistakenly linked it to the Silverstone meeting, without checking the fact that Atwood was not even at or ever entered at that meeting.
Thanks, again, for the information.
And yes, he was too inexperienced to take part in this particular event.
Glad I could help about this case.
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Everso Biggyballies wrote: 1 year ago
Sedre wrote: 1 year ago Willy Atwood's notes are corrected: http://motorsportmemorial.org/focus.php?db=ct&n=6244
Good work. :thumbsup:

Only thing I would add is that the following sources associated to the previous incorrect info re Silverstone and the International Trophy meeting in the post are now irrelevant and indeed misleading. (ie would be better removed)
Website Racing Circuits, by Daniel King, page http://www.the-fastlane.co.uk/racingcir ... e1952.html . (Silverstone ref. is misleading)
Website World Sports Racing Prototypes, by Martin Krejčí, page http://www.wsrp.ic.cz/intgb1957.html#8 .
Website The GEL Motorsport Information Page, by Darren Galpin, chapter The Formula One Archives, page http://www.silhouet.com/motorsport/arch ... 7.html#int .

The source more relevant is the Leicester local paper article @Motorsportrace added earlier today that sparked this discussion.
These sources are removed. Thanks.

Newspaper "Leicester Evening Mail" is already added as source.
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As for the initial source which shows the location of the accident as Silverstone I believe it was The Wilson Howard Davis Archives. Some of our American researchers, including the one who created initially this page have access to it and it is a very large list of deceased US racers which also includes non-racing deaths, but unfortunately, as it was created a long time ago (I think 1980s or 1990s) it have some errors and inconsistencies as it was done without using of Internet.
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https://twitter.com/ttracesofficial/sta ... 98/photo/1

Just to make sure that the entry about Levorel isn't in work in progress, today the TT announced that they've mistakenly identified Oliver Levorel as the rider who perished in the Sidecar race at the TT. The rider who died is actually Cesar Chanal.

I'm speechless about this, i don't know if this has ever happened before in recent times, and i don't want to know anything more about this crash.
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Can I say that I'm hating YouTube right now?
For every TT death that has recently happened, there are a lot of fake videos which pretend to show the accidents, but (obviously) are just for click-bait.

And I'm not complaining about the fact that the crashes are not shown.
I'm complaining about the fact that all this is extremely disrespectful for those who died in these crashes.
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Motorsportrace wrote: 1 year ago Can I say that I'm hating YouTube right now?
For every TT death that has recently happened, there are a lot of fake videos which pretend to show the accidents, but (obviously) are just for click-bait.

And I'm not complaining about the fact that the crashes are not shown.
I'm complaining about the fact that all this is extremely disrespectful for those who died in these crashes.
That happens every time someone dies in a big championship, sadly. Every time people try to exploit it, and it's even worse in this cases were footage doesn't actually exist... and btw, the Chanal fatal crash aftermath exists/existed, i have it on my hdd right now. Thankfully it's shot from a distance, so you can see only a fire and not much more, i don't want to see anything more about this one.
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mattia2 wrote: 1 year ago https://twitter.com/ttracesofficial/sta ... 98/photo/1

Just to make sure that the entry about Levorel isn't in work in progress, today the TT announced that they've mistakenly identified Oliver Levorel as the rider who perished in the Sidecar race at the TT. The rider who died is actually Cesar Chanal.

I'm speechless about this, i don't know if this has ever happened before in recent times, and i don't want to know anything more about this crash.
That's disgusting, how does that even happen?
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julif wrote: 1 year ago
mattia2 wrote: 1 year ago https://twitter.com/ttracesofficial/sta ... 98/photo/1

Just to make sure that the entry about Levorel isn't in work in progress, today the TT announced that they've mistakenly identified Oliver Levorel as the rider who perished in the Sidecar race at the TT. The rider who died is actually Cesar Chanal.

I'm speechless about this, i don't know if this has ever happened before in recent times, and i don't want to know anything more about this crash.
That's disgusting, how does that even happen?
It happens when, probably, both of the riders were basically unrecognizable after the crash....
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mattia2 wrote: 1 year ago
julif wrote: 1 year ago
mattia2 wrote: 1 year ago https://twitter.com/ttracesofficial/sta ... 98/photo/1

Just to make sure that the entry about Levorel isn't in work in progress, today the TT announced that they've mistakenly identified Oliver Levorel as the rider who perished in the Sidecar race at the TT. The rider who died is actually Cesar Chanal.

I'm speechless about this, i don't know if this has ever happened before in recent times, and i don't want to know anything more about this crash.
That's disgusting, how does that even happen?
It happens when, probably, both of the riders were basically unrecognizable after the crash....
But didn't they have their names on their helmets etc?
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julif wrote: 1 year ago
mattia2 wrote: 1 year ago
julif wrote: 1 year ago
mattia2 wrote: 1 year ago https://twitter.com/ttracesofficial/sta ... 98/photo/1

Just to make sure that the entry about Levorel isn't in work in progress, today the TT announced that they've mistakenly identified Oliver Levorel as the rider who perished in the Sidecar race at the TT. The rider who died is actually Cesar Chanal.

I'm speechless about this, i don't know if this has ever happened before in recent times, and i don't want to know anything more about this crash.
That's disgusting, how does that even happen?
It happens when, probably, both of the riders were basically unrecognizable after the crash....
But didn't they have their names on their helmets etc?
Black leathers, black helmets, no names on anything. Also similar size for both of them...
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@Sedre Maybe you are already working on this one, but here is something that could be added to MM.

https://www.elsoldetlaxcala.com.mx/poli ... 40476.html
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Motorsportrace wrote: 1 year ago Can I say that I'm hating YouTube right now?
For every TT death that has recently happened, there are a lot of fake videos which pretend to show the accidents, but (obviously) are just for click-bait.
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And I'm not complaining about the fact that the crashes are not shown.
I'm complaining about the fact that all this is extremely disrespectful for those who died in these crashes.
That's the thing now. most of them just want views and can use anything that helps them for that purpose. human nature is greedy.
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