1949 Aftermath of Emil Vorster's Crash in the 2. Aachener-Wald Rennen, Killing a Spectator

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1949 Aftermath of Emil Vorster's Crash in the 2. Aachener-Wald Rennen, Killing a Spectator

Post by sadsac » 1 month ago

At first i thought Grenzlandring but im not sure :huh:
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Post by Jesper Hvid » 1 month ago

Not the Niedermayr, nor the later Swaelens. But it was my first thought, as well. Looks very similar.

http://www.the-fastlane.co.uk/forums/vi ... ns#p285486

I would say there is a big chance that this is a fatal accident, and the solution to this one is in mm.org.
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Post by Sedre » 1 month ago

Grenzlandring held races from 1948 to 1952 and only in 1948 races cars had numbers with two digits; other races had cars with three digit numbers.

http://www.the-fastlane.co.uk/formula2/F248_19.htm
http://www.the-fastlane.co.uk/formula2/F249_24.htm
http://www.the-fastlane.co.uk/formula2/F250_29.htm
http://www.the-fastlane.co.uk/formula2/F251_24.htm
http://www.the-fastlane.co.uk/formula2/F252_36.htm

I doubt that accident happened there.

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Post by Sedre » 1 month ago

I initally believed that it is Villoresi's accident at III Grand Prix des Nations in Geneve in 1950 when three spectators were killed as it matched vehicle number, but MM states that driver was thrown out from car and this did not match the photo:

http://www.motorsportmemorial.org/focus ... =ct&n=2429
http://www.motorsportmemorial.org/focus ... =ct&n=2430
http://www.motorsportmemorial.org/focus ... =ct&n=2431

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Post by hollie3sa » 1 month ago

Can we find out what car this is?

Were for example mudguards like these used regularly?


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Post by Everso Biggyballies » 1 month ago

hollie3sa wrote:
1 month ago

Were for example mudguards like these used regularly?

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Mudguards like that (cycle guards?) were I know added to some cars to allow them to be classified as Sports cars... usually on open wheeler cars with a wide cockpit which in some instances might be opened up more to allow a dummy second seat or space for one, I think one of the earlier criteria for such mods.
I think a good example of such a change would be at Le Mans in this period. where Louis Rosier, who had won the 1949 Belgian GP in his single-seater Lago-Talbot T26 (privately) entered and won the 1950 Le Mans in a T26 Talbot Lago converted in this way to meet Sportscar regs. (Of note he shared the car with his son, who drove for 15 minutes of the 24 hours! Rosier snr. also set the first ever 100mph lap at Le Mans in the car)

This is the Rosier modified Le Mans winning Talbot Lago I referred to.
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Below is a Talbot Lago 26C in GP trim
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Post by Jacob » 1 month ago

That's not a Talbot. It's a German "Eigenbau" from the post WW2 years 1946-1953. These types were called Inter, as you could use them as a Sports Car and as a Monoposto/F2. But at the moment I can't tell you which car.

Reversed image search brought this.
https://picclick.de/Foto-AK-Aachen-Wald ... 38899.html

So Emil Vorster, AFM
Aachen Waldrennen 24.7.1949
https://www.racingsportscars.com/photo/ ... 07-24.html

This accident caused 1 fatality
http://www.motorsportmemorial.org/focus ... =ct&n=1716

Circuit was used in 1948/49
http://www.the-fastlane.co.uk/racingcir ... index.html

Photos of AFM
https://www.racingsportscars.com/make/photo/AFM.html
http://8w.forix.com/df2-afm.html
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Post by Jesper Hvid » 1 month ago

Very good. Vehicle number appears to be wrong. I've submitted the correction.
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Post by sadsac » 1 month ago

Jacob wrote:
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That's not a Talbot. It's a German "Eigenbau" from the post WW2 years 1946-1953. These types were called Inter, as you could use them as a Sports Car and as a Monoposto/F2. But at the moment I can't tell you which car.

Reversed image search brought this.
https://picclick.de/Foto-AK-Aachen-Wald ... 38899.html

So Emil Vorster, AFM
Aachen Waldrennen 24.7.1949
https://www.racingsportscars.com/photo/ ... 07-24.html

This accident caused 1 fatality
http://www.motorsportmemorial.org/focus ... =ct&n=1716

Circuit was used in 1948/49
http://www.the-fastlane.co.uk/racingcir ... index.html

Photos of AFM
https://www.racingsportscars.com/make/photo/AFM.html
http://8w.forix.com/df2-afm.html
Thanks for that Jacob :thumbsup:

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Post by Jesper Hvid » 1 month ago

I'd like to ask a favour of you sadsac: can you please change the topic title of your original post to this:

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1949 Aftermath of Emil Vorster's Crash in the 2. Aachener-Wald Rennen, Killing a Spectator

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I cannot edit the title, as I no longer moderate this subforum. Thanks in advance.
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Post by sadsac » 1 month ago

Jesper Hvid wrote:
1 month ago
I'd like to ask a favour of you sadsac: can you please change the topic title of your original post to this:

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1949 Aftermath of Emil Vorster's Crash in the 2. Aachener-Wald Rennen, Killing a Spectator

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I cannot edit the title, as I no longer moderate this subforum. Thanks in advance.
Done :thumbsup:

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Post by Jesper Hvid » 1 month ago

Thanks, mate!
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