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Re: Motorsport Memorial updates

Post by hollie3sa » 2 months ago

Latest post of the previous page:

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No, I did not find any hidden entries on Mosport Park, so likely newspaper counts motorcyclists. Maybe they also count Chris Mudge (http://www.motorsportmemorial.org/focus ... q=a&n=3268) who died in a post-race accident instead of an unnamed biker.
However, I will give about 5-10% percent of possibility that there were two more fatal accidents which were almost unnoticed in available newspapers. George Milne (http://www.motorsportmemorial.org/focus ... =ct&n=2690) spent about 14 years on site without exact date and circumstances of accident - and still, everything I found was one small newspaper article.

Speaking of obscure cases from Canada, there are three more - two were found by me, last one was found by our admin, Sal:
http://www.motorsportmemorial.org/focus ... ct&n=13772
http://www.motorsportmemorial.org/focus ... ms&n=13769
http://www.motorsportmemorial.org/focus ... ct&n=13766

Thank you. I guess you never really know where the newspapers have their informations from.

Re George Milne: I'm trying to gather some info about him from a Mosport related Facebook group. We'll see if something comes up.

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Re Chris Mudge: See this post: viewtopic.php?p=329570#p329570


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Post by Sedre » 2 months ago

Thanks for this information!

I found McNally's page on MyHeritage website which provides me with his dates of birth and death (26.07.1969 - 03.09.1993). I'll create his page at the weekend alongside with several Argentinean cases which were sent to me by mi amigo Isbel Quiroz.

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Post by Sedre » 2 months ago

I did not find a lot of information on his career, so page is not very big:

http://www.motorsportmemorial.org/focus ... ct&n=13915

I'll also create a LWF page for Chuck Lambert whose death is mentioned in one of your sources.

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@hollie3sa, I need your help (again).

There are two more audios from INA Archives. First one about an accident which is already entered on MM.org and I'll add the second one after your translation.

[...]

Second accident happened on 13.04.1997 at Rallye Régional des Vignes de Régnié. One spectator was killed during the last special stage (video description tells "spectatrice" - maybe it means female spectator if I understood correctly). Any information about this accident is desirable.

2)
https://mega.nz/file/uPIyCTwI#dsvF7-9en ... lHHm62cBNY

[...] and second one depicts several other accidents where spectators were in close proximity to Darwin Award.

The first part of the audio file is pretty much irrelevant. Informations about the organisation of the Rally (i. e. number of voluntary/paid gendarmes, budget etc.) and the 2nd part doesn't really tell you anything new except for one thing. Transcript of part 2 (from ca. 0:26) below:


L'enquête confit à la gendarmerie de Beaujeu (possibly) determinera si l'accident relève de l'imprévision ou de la responsabilité individuel des spectateurs. La spectatrice décédée des suites de ses blessures a été placé à l'extérieur de la courbe de Verjus (?) comme le sont 16 (unsure. but also irrelevant for this accident) spectateurs du Charbonnières à [19]90.
C'est en effet dans les courbes extérieures que les amoureux de (one word missing. No idea. Translates to: The lovers of the mechanical ...) méchanique aiment à se placer. C'est là que les impressions sont les plus fortes mais c'est aussi là que les pilotes même chevronnés perdent le contrôle de leurs véhicules.
Depuis les dramatiques sorties de route du [Rallye] Monte-Carlo 1990, il est interdit de se placer en extérieur sauf en position élevé. La présence hier
(= yesterday) d'un commissaire tous les 500 metres n'a pu empêcher ce nouvelle accident.


Re the 'Courbe de Verjus': I'm not certain about the spelling. This is very likely the name of a certain place/spot/corner/mountain/village or sth similar. As you can see on the screenshot below (Source: Google Maps), there are many places like these. I can only assume that one of the corners of that special stage was called 'Courbe de Verjus' or sth. similar. But I have not been able to make a match.

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Post by Sedre » 2 months ago

hollie3sa wrote:
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Sedre wrote:
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@hollie3sa, I need your help (again).

There are two more audios from INA Archives. First one about an accident which is already entered on MM.org and I'll add the second one after your translation.

[...]

Second accident happened on 13.04.1997 at Rallye Régional des Vignes de Régnié. One spectator was killed during the last special stage (video description tells "spectatrice" - maybe it means female spectator if I understood correctly). Any information about this accident is desirable.

2)
https://mega.nz/file/uPIyCTwI#dsvF7-9en ... lHHm62cBNY

[...] and second one depicts several other accidents where spectators were in close proximity to Darwin Award.

The first part of the audio file is pretty much irrelevant. Informations about the organisation of the Rally (i. e. number of voluntary/paid gendarmes, budget etc.) and the 2nd part doesn't really tell you anything new except for one thing. Transcript of part 2 (from ca. 0:26) below:


L'enquête confit à la gendarmerie de Beaujeu (possibly) determinera si l'accident relève de l'imprévision ou de la responsabilité individuel des spectateurs. La spectatrice décédée des suites de ses blessures a été placé à l'extérieur de la courbe de Verjus (?) comme le sont 16 (unsure. but also irrelevant for this accident) spectateurs du Charbonnières à [19]90.
C'est en effet dans les courbes extérieures que les amoureux de (one word missing. No idea. Translates to: The lovers of the mechanical ...) méchanique aiment à se placer. C'est là que les impressions sont les plus fortes mais c'est aussi là que les pilotes même chevronnés perdent le contrôle de leurs véhicules.
Depuis les dramatiques sorties de route du [Rallye] Monte-Carlo 1990, il est interdit de se placer en extérieur sauf en position élevé. La présence hier
(= yesterday) d'un commissaire tous les 500 metres n'a pu empêcher ce nouvelle accident.


Re the 'Courbe de Verjus': I'm not certain about the spelling. This is very likely the name of a certain place/spot/corner/mountain/village or sth similar. As you can see on the screenshot below (Source: Google Maps), there are many places like these. I can only assume that one of the corners of that special stage was called 'Courbe de Verjus' or sth. similar. But I have not been able to make a match.

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Thanks!

I think this place is Verjus Emmanuel, located in Le Champ, just 4,4 km to southwest of Regnie-Durette.

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Post by hollie3sa » 2 months ago

Sedre wrote:
2 months ago
hollie3sa wrote:
2 months ago
Sedre wrote:
2 months ago
@hollie3sa, I need your help (again).

There are two more audios from INA Archives. First one about an accident which is already entered on MM.org and I'll add the second one after your translation.

[...]

Second accident happened on 13.04.1997 at Rallye Régional des Vignes de Régnié. One spectator was killed during the last special stage (video description tells "spectatrice" - maybe it means female spectator if I understood correctly). Any information about this accident is desirable.

2)
https://mega.nz/file/uPIyCTwI#dsvF7-9en ... lHHm62cBNY

[...] and second one depicts several other accidents where spectators were in close proximity to Darwin Award.

The first part of the audio file is pretty much irrelevant. Informations about the organisation of the Rally (i. e. number of voluntary/paid gendarmes, budget etc.) and the 2nd part doesn't really tell you anything new except for one thing. Transcript of part 2 (from ca. 0:26) below:


L'enquête confit à la gendarmerie de Beaujeu (possibly) determinera si l'accident relève de l'imprévision ou de la responsabilité individuel des spectateurs. La spectatrice décédée des suites de ses blessures a été placé à l'extérieur de la courbe de Verjus (?) comme le sont 16 (unsure. but also irrelevant for this accident) spectateurs du Charbonnières à [19]90.
C'est en effet dans les courbes extérieures que les amoureux de (one word missing. No idea. Translates to: The lovers of the mechanical ...) méchanique aiment à se placer. C'est là que les impressions sont les plus fortes mais c'est aussi là que les pilotes même chevronnés perdent le contrôle de leurs véhicules.
Depuis les dramatiques sorties de route du [Rallye] Monte-Carlo 1990, il est interdit de se placer en extérieur sauf en position élevé. La présence hier
(= yesterday) d'un commissaire tous les 500 metres n'a pu empêcher ce nouvelle accident.


Re the 'Courbe de Verjus': I'm not certain about the spelling. This is very likely the name of a certain place/spot/corner/mountain/village or sth similar. As you can see on the screenshot below (Source: Google Maps), there are many places like these. I can only assume that one of the corners of that special stage was called 'Courbe de Verjus' or sth. similar. But I have not been able to make a match.

Image
Thanks!

I think this place is Verjus Emmanuel, located in Le Champ, just 4,4 km to southwest of Regnie-Durette.
Very likely, good call!

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Sedre wrote:
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@hollie3sa, I need your help (again).

There are two more audios from INA Archives. First one about an accident which is already entered on MM.org and I'll add the second one after your translation.

1)
https://mega.nz/file/nHJS2bqI#OuNNRPPWy ... 67AIc4FjfE
http://www.motorsportmemorial.org/focus ... ct&n=12615

I recorded the whole segment so maybe it would be difficult to translate it. I'm interested in the date of the rally (Saturday/Sunday) and details of the accident of Mouetron/Crochet if it will be available..
Some passages are really hard to understand for me. I think the accident is only briefly mentioned at the very end of the report.
a regretté l'accident de Joel Mouetron à deux spéciales de l'arrivée, le R5 Turbo a prix feux et son coéquipier ??? de plusieurs fractures mais ??? espéront sont rétablissement rapide
The accident happened two stages from the arrival. The co-driver suffered multiple fractues but they (can't make out who they are talking about) are hoping for a quick recovery.

Note: The report points towards a male co-driver ('son coéquipier'); a female co-driver probably would've been mentioned as "sa coéquipiere"

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Post by Sedre » 2 months ago

hollie3sa wrote:
2 months ago
Sedre wrote:
2 months ago
@hollie3sa, I need your help (again).

There are two more audios from INA Archives. First one about an accident which is already entered on MM.org and I'll add the second one after your translation.

1)
https://mega.nz/file/nHJS2bqI#OuNNRPPWy ... 67AIc4FjfE
http://www.motorsportmemorial.org/focus ... ct&n=12615

I recorded the whole segment so maybe it would be difficult to translate it. I'm interested in the date of the rally (Saturday/Sunday) and details of the accident of Mouetron/Crochet if it will be available..
Some passages are really hard to understand for me. I think the accident is only briefly mentioned at the very end of the report.
a regretté l'accident de Joel Mouetron à deux spéciales de l'arrivée, le R5 Turbo a prix feux et son coéquipier ??? de plusieurs fractures mais ??? espéront sont rétablissement rapide
The accident happened two stages from the arrival. The co-driver suffered multiple fractues but they (can't make out who they are talking about) are hoping for a quick recovery.

Note: The report points towards a male co-driver ('son coéquipier'); a female co-driver probably would've been mentioned as "sa coéquipiere"
Understood. Thanks for translation.
Not sure why the reporter talked about the co-driver as male. Sylvie Crochet was Mouetron's co-driver in 1991; following her death at this rally he retired from racing. French Death Index shows her death happened on Monday (next day), so her injuries actually were fatal.

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Post by Sedre » 2 months ago

I updated information on both of these accidents and now I'm waiting for an MM update (usually happens every day). I also added a very obscure accident that happened with Soviet rally driver Rein Rummel.

I also remember about Chuck Lambert and will add him in the next one or two days.

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