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Bottom post of the previous page:

another picture where the marshals attend Flörsch.
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The BBC have been playing this on loop for most of the morning but "won't show the most graphic angles of the impact as they are too graphic".

utter madness.

Edit: easy way to prevent accidents a Macau, don't race there, other than that, remove the stupid sausage curb.
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Oh wow, shit. Thanks for posting.

One of those accidents where everyone involved is entirely blameless (because I think it was one of those automatic lights that had malfunctioned?) and everyone is somehow very lucky amidst that perfect storm.

Flörsch was in surgery for 7 hours today and there were no complications. She'll stay in hospital for 2 weeks probably.
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That blue sausage curb was a blessing in disguise.
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kals wrote: 5 years ago That blue sausage curb was a blessing in disguise.
Only if you look at it purely based on one viewpoint, she would have just smacked into the side of the other car and there's no telling what would have happened yes but you could also say the photographers stand was a blessing in disguise too, since had that not been there she would have undoubtly entered the Lisboa Casino lobby at something north of 150mph, in today's day and age, the fallout would have been very bad for Motorsport, not just the GP.

Maybe they should just do away with these stupid curbs and stop gambling with them, I know the Casino entrance was just the other side of the photographer stand, but thse curbs take gambling to a whole new level.

I think I'd rather have a car doing 150+mph stay on the ground and test the side impact structure of another car (these guys and girls after all, know and accept the risks when they get into the car - this was something Billy Monger was keen to point out on the BBC Breakfast yesterday when he was being interviewed by a hysterical reporter about this crash, and I think he of all people is rather well qualified to talk about acceptable risk) rather than seeing this car flying out of the confines of the track into a hotel/casino lobby entrance where nothing is built to withstand that impact.
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It still confuses me this mantra of creating additional space on a racing track and then making this space out of bounds by putting big sausage kerbs in the way.

Could we just not have the space in the first place?

This is a genuine question and it may be stupid and deserve a stupid answer.
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Ian-S wrote: 5 years ago
kals wrote: 5 years ago That blue sausage curb was a blessing in disguise.
Only if you look at it purely based on one viewpoint, she would have just smacked into the side of the other car and there's no telling what would have happened yes but you could also say the photographers stand was a blessing in disguise too, since had that not been there she would have undoubtly entered the Lisboa Casino lobby at something north of 150mph, in today's day and age, the fallout would have been very bad for Motorsport, not just the GP.

Maybe they should just do away with these stupid curbs and stop gambling with them, I know the Casino entrance was just the other side of the photographer stand, but thse curbs take gambling to a whole new level.

I think I'd rather have a car doing 150+mph stay on the ground and test the side impact structure of another car (these guys and girls after all, know and accept the risks when they get into the car - this was something Billy Monger was keen to point out on the BBC Breakfast yesterday when he was being interviewed by a hysterical reporter about this crash, and I think he of all people is rather well qualified to talk about acceptable risk) rather than seeing this car flying out of the confines of the track into a hotel/casino lobby entrance where nothing is built to withstand that impact.
There are a many number of lucky factors in the accident which resulted in few and minor injuries. No-one wants to see a car catapulted into space by those wretched sausage curbs, but in this case it was a saving grace. There is always an acceptable level of risk in this sport yet we should be thankful that the accident happened in the way it did purely as it meant both drivers were able to get out largely unscathed. But let's be clear, the FIA and global motorsport should be learning from what happened on Sunday, not patting themselves on the back and saying 'well done'. This was an almost perfect storm type accident that we fear (like Las Vegas), thankfully with a mostly happy ending.

I'm glad I wasn't the only one that thought the photographer's gantry was well placed to catch the flying car, otherwise she would have flown into the lobby.
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Tom wrote: 5 years ago It still confuses me this mantra of creating additional space on a racing track and then making this space out of bounds by putting big sausage kerbs in the way.

Could we just not have the space in the first place?

This is a genuine question and it may be stupid and deserve a stupid answer.

Because drivers are drivers, and they'll just abuse the extra space to cut corners.
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kals wrote: 5 years ago
Ian-S wrote: 5 years ago
kals wrote: 5 years ago That blue sausage curb was a blessing in disguise.
Only if you look at it purely based on one viewpoint, she would have just smacked into the side of the other car and there's no telling what would have happened yes but you could also say the photographers stand was a blessing in disguise too, since had that not been there she would have undoubtly entered the Lisboa Casino lobby at something north of 150mph, in today's day and age, the fallout would have been very bad for Motorsport, not just the GP.

Maybe they should just do away with these stupid curbs and stop gambling with them, I know the Casino entrance was just the other side of the photographer stand, but thse curbs take gambling to a whole new level.

I think I'd rather have a car doing 150+mph stay on the ground and test the side impact structure of another car (these guys and girls after all, know and accept the risks when they get into the car - this was something Billy Monger was keen to point out on the BBC Breakfast yesterday when he was being interviewed by a hysterical reporter about this crash, and I think he of all people is rather well qualified to talk about acceptable risk) rather than seeing this car flying out of the confines of the track into a hotel/casino lobby entrance where nothing is built to withstand that impact.
There are a many number of lucky factors in the accident which resulted in few and minor injuries. No-one wants to see a car catapulted into space by those wretched sausage curbs, but in this case it was a saving grace. There is always an acceptable level of risk in this sport yet we should be thankful that the accident happened in the way it did purely as it meant both drivers were able to get out largely unscathed. But let's be clear, the FIA and global motorsport should be learning from what happened on Sunday, not patting themselves on the back and saying 'well done'. This was an almost perfect storm type accident that we fear (like Las Vegas), thankfully with a mostly happy ending.

I'm glad I wasn't the only one that thought the photographer's gantry was well placed to catch the flying car, otherwise she would have flown into the lobby.

The acceptable level of risk stops when it involves spectators, it was not an acceptable event allowing that car to end up where it did when the alternative was a t-bone that (probably) wouldn't have involve those outside of the circuit. This will be overlooked, like it always is and it won't be until someone is killed before changes are made.

As you say, literally if anything was a saving grace here, it was the gantry itself.

DoubleFart wrote: 5 years ago
Tom wrote: 5 years ago It still confuses me this mantra of creating additional space on a racing track and then making this space out of bounds by putting big sausage kerbs in the way.

Could we just not have the space in the first place?

This is a genuine question and it may be stupid and deserve a stupid answer.

Because drivers are drivers, and they'll just abuse the extra space to cut corners.
There comes a point though where cutting the corner isn't an advantage though, and this corner is a prime example because the barrier is there.

They only put the curbing out where it is to stop the ill fated divebomb which usually results in a 15 car pileup because they couldn't get round the corner.

I think I'd rather have the stupid arse pileup than cars showing up on the local airports radar (and didn't they have a pileup at some point there over the weekend anyway, proving the extending of the curbing didn't have the desired effect?).
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You're bound to get pile-ups anyway when you have a grid full of teenagers trying to make a name for themselves in the biggest F3 race on the planet.
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John wrote: 5 years ago You're bound to get pile-ups anyway when you have a grid full of teenagers trying to make a name for themselves in the biggest F3 race on the planet.
Agreed.... it also used to happen with the other arguably biggest F3 race on the planet at Monaco, which AFAIK no longer runs these days. In fact I think Lewis Hamilton won the last F3 Monaco support race way back when. I think now they have GP2 and FRenault, but I dare say the reality of impressing the Monaco / F1 gliterati works with them trying that bit too hard.

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Ian-S wrote: 5 years agoThe acceptable level of risk stops when it involves spectators, it was not an acceptable event allowing that car to end up where it did when the alternative was a t-bone that (probably) wouldn't have involve those outside of the circuit. This will be overlooked, like it always is and it won't be until someone is killed before changes are made.
I agree and disagree. There are always risks, things can over the fence and spectators can be hurt. That's why those triangular signs hang on the circuit confines and why warnings are printed on the tickets.

Had the t-bone happened, there would have been greater injuries and most likely a fatality. And we would have understood why. That's why in this incident the blue sausage curb (plus a few other factors) were a blessing in disguise. But Floersch vaulting at the speed of a bullet over the fence is another thing altogether. Looking at the images of that corner, the blue sausage curb was in an entirely irrelevant position.
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kals wrote: 5 years ago
Ian-S wrote: 5 years agoThe acceptable level of risk stops when it involves spectators, it was not an acceptable event allowing that car to end up where it did when the alternative was a t-bone that (probably) wouldn't have involve those outside of the circuit. This will be overlooked, like it always is and it won't be until someone is killed before changes are made.
I agree and disagree. There are always risks, things can over the fence and spectators can be hurt. That's why those triangular signs hang on the circuit confines and why warnings are printed on the tickets.

Had the t-bone happened, there would have been greater injuries and most likely a fatality. And we would have understood why. That's why in this incident the blue sausage curb (plus a few other factors) were a blessing in disguise. But Floersch vaulting at the speed of a bullet over the fence is another thing altogether. Looking at the images of that corner, the blue sausage curb was in an entirely irrelevant position.
I don't think it would have been fatal, the FIA has made a big deal about side impact structures over the years, hurt yes, but maybe not fatal.
I do agree on the rest though, completely pointless having those curbs there when they were nowhere near the apex.
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Would it have been any worse then Sato-Heidfeld considering we're 16 years on?
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