Stupid Senna Question

[Starling]

I've found this pic of Senna with a beard:



Someone told me it's actually a photoshop of this pic:



But the comments on this F1 Reddit thread insinuate that the clean-shaven pic is the fake one:
https://www.reddit.com/r/formula1/comme ... &context=3

I'm a Senna lover but (alas) I don't recognize the track suit. It's not Toleman or any of his later suits. Also he looks 25+, and I can swear he never had a beard since then. Any clue? First world problems. Thanks!

(OK but the real question is: who on earth would photoshop a beard on Senna????)

[Michael Ferner]

I think it's a Rothmans suit.

[Vassago]

It's probably photoshopped alright. The suit is obviously 1994 Rothmans Williams Renault. Both Rothmans & Renault logos are visible. The neck tape is obviously untied.

[Starling]

Thanks @Michael Ferner and @Vassago . Nice pic of the boys! For some reason I tend to remove that suit from my memory. So definitely Photoshop, because Senna never had a beard at that time. The question remains: why???

[White six]

A quick Google reveals another senna image with a similar beard.

Photoshop - there's no way the bearded photo was produced from the smooth one as it contains far too much detail. It was the other way around

The bearded photo could be a fake, but it would have to have been produced from a 3rd image with far more detail

Given there's another pic of AS with a similar beard my money is on the beard being genuine.

The hair is pretty much spot on 1994 with tufty bits everywhere, so I'm going turned up for testing or a race bearded, then quickly had a shave when he realised it was gonna be itching all season

[Everso Biggyballies]

A quick Google reveals another senna image with a similar beard.

Photoshop - there's no way the bearded photo was produced from the smooth one as it contains far too much detail. It was the other way around

The bearded photo could be a fake, but it would have to have been produced from a 3rd image with far more detail

Given there's another pic of AS with a similar beard my money is on the beard being genuine.

The hair is pretty much spot on 1994 with tufty bits everywhere, so I'm going turned up for testing or a race bearded, then quickly had a shave when he realised it was gonna be itching all season

Or Ron Dennis had a quiet word..... back in the day he was very anti beards.... there was an insider story going round at McLaren that Ron ordered Jenson Button and Alonso (Honda) engines to be turned down until they shaved their beards.

After another dismal showing in this weekend’s Chinese Grand Prix, McLaren boss Ron Dennis has reminded his drivers that they can have a car that works properly just as soon as they both shave.

‘There are three things Ron hates above all else,’ explained a team insider. ‘Untidyness, beards (and the actress Dame Angela Lansbury). He’ll stop at nothing to avoid any of them in his life.’

Sources in Woking say that, as a result of his demented desire to ‘optimise lower face visual and textural qualities’ amongst his drivers, Dennis has ordered engineers to turn down the power output of the Honda powertrain to ‘sub-optimal quantities’ and will happily tolerate blithering about fighting for 16th place for as long as it takes to make Jenson Button and Fernando Alonso shave their faces.

‘To have one driver with a beard is bad enough for Ron, but two has pushed him over the edge,’ explained our team mole. ‘It’s as intolerable for him as finding toast crumbs on the worktop.

https://sniffpetrol.com/2015/04/14/denn ... ultimatum/

Believe it or not......

[White six]

A quick Google reveals another senna image with a similar beard.

Photoshop - there's no way the bearded photo was produced from the smooth one as it contains far too much detail. It was the other way around

The bearded photo could be a fake, but it would have to have been produced from a 3rd image with far more detail

Given there's another pic of AS with a similar beard my money is on the beard being genuine.

The hair is pretty much spot on 1994 with tufty bits everywhere, so I'm going turned up for testing or a race bearded, then quickly had a shave when he realised it was gonna be itching all season

Or Ron Dennis had a quiet word..... back in the day he was very anti beards.... there was an insider story going round at McLaren that Ron ordered Jenson Button and Alonso (Honda) engines to be turned down until they shaved their beards.

After another dismal showing in this weekend’s Chinese Grand Prix, McLaren boss Ron Dennis has reminded his drivers that they can have a car that works properly just as soon as they both shave.

‘There are three things Ron hates above all else,’ explained a team insider. ‘Untidyness, beards (and the actress Dame Angela Lansbury). He’ll stop at nothing to avoid any of them in his life.’

Sources in Woking say that, as a result of his demented desire to ‘optimise lower face visual and textural qualities’ amongst his drivers, Dennis has ordered engineers to turn down the power output of the Honda powertrain to ‘sub-optimal quantities’ and will happily tolerate blithering about fighting for 16th place for as long as it takes to make Jenson Button and Fernando Alonso shave their faces.

‘To have one driver with a beard is bad enough for Ron, but two has pushed him over the edge,’ explained our team mole. ‘It’s as intolerable for him as finding toast crumbs on the worktop.

https://sniffpetrol.com/2015/04/14/denn ... ultimatum/

Believe it or not......

But definitely the rothmans overalls, so unless his beard fascism extended to demanding Frank did the same, the hastily arranged fastlane beard court has to find him not guilty

Maybe senna thought whoop whoop, I can finally have the beard of my dreams now, oh hang on, it's itchy as fuck

[White six]

Look at the jawline on the right of the smooth photo, it's been moved inwards a touch. Weird that someone wanted to do that, make an airbrushed saintly image from a better one anyway.

[DoubleFart]

Your Original:



The claimed original "clean shaven" version when a beard is added via FaceApp:

https://freeimage.host/i/hjuRIf

It's uncanny how similar the fake FaceApp beard is to the original.


Now, if we reverse the process, and we REMOVE the beard using clean shave on FaceApp:

https://freeimage.host/i/hjR7lS


My conclusion is that "free" and effortless Photo editing software creates a bearded image from the unshaven, but doesn't create a good unshaven from the bearded image. So I believe it's a fake.

[White six]

Your Original:



The claimed original "clean shaven" version when a beard is added via FaceApp:

https://freeimage.host/i/hjuRIf

It's uncanny how similar the fake FaceApp beard is to the original.


Now, if we reverse the process, and we REMOVE the beard using clean shave on FaceApp:

https://freeimage.host/i/hjR7lS


My conclusion is that "free" and effortless Photo editing software creates a bearded image from the unshaven, but doesn't create a good unshaven from the bearded image. So I believe it's a fake.

I still disagree, as how are you proposing to create the extra detail and texture the beardy image has?

[White six]

Ok, I've just found the original on the second beardy image, a perfect non beardy version.

So yes, it looks like some internet pervert is going around creating beardy sennas.

Somewhere floating around must be the '3rd' photo both the beardy and smooth images were made from.

[Starling]

Great, I'm more confused than before but I thank you all

My interest in the beard pic is that if it were genuine it would be pretty rare, and I have a passion for original sources and rare pics.

It's quite likely that between 1993 and 1994 Senna stopped shaving for 3 days. Given his darkish complexion, it would be enough time, but taking into account his reddish hair, his beard could have come out red. The pic is not detailed enough.

So I imagine him coming down in the pits for some test after 3 days of unbridled debauchery (= growing a beard while spending time with family and dogs, and reading the Bible) and being turned away and told to go shave, but not before someone snapped a pic (back then drivers were mostly clean-shaved, apart from our hero Nigel).

But then again, if the beard pic is genuine, why on earth someone should photoshop him back to clean shaven? Even a Senna junkie like me would never dream of altering a pic, especially because there are so many awesome pics that there's no need to create a new one.

Guys, I think we're approaching the field of the great unsolved mysteries of our world.

[White six]

Just need to find that original and it's case closed. No luck on alamy

[Starling]

Just need to find that original and it's case closed. No luck on alamy

I've used "Reverse image search" but it always leads to the sites I've already checked.

[White six]

Just need to find that original and it's case closed. No luck on alamy

I've used "Reverse image search" but it always leads to the sites I've already checked.

They're not great tbh. Being totally anal you could try the part of face not used for beard, but due to sizing issues I doubt that would work