Favourite F1 Car of the 1960s [Results posted]

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Favourite 1960s F1 Car?

Brabham BT7
0
No votes
Brabham BT11
0
No votes
Brabham BT19
1
1%
Brabham BT24
0
No votes
Brabham BT26 (Winged)
0
No votes
BRM P48/57
1
1%
BRM P261
3
4%
BRM P83
2
3%
Cooper T53
0
No votes
Cooper T66
0
No votes
Cooper T81
0
No votes
Eagle T1G
7
10%
Ferrari 156 Sharknose
4
6%
Ferrari 158
1
1%
Ferrari 1512
0
No votes
Ferrari 312/66 & 312/67
6
8%
Ferrari 312/68 & 312/69 (Winged)
3
4%
Honda RA273
0
No votes
Honda RA300
5
7%
Honda RA301 (Winged)
1
1%
Lola Mk4/A
0
No votes
Lotus 18
1
1%
Lotus 25
3
4%
Lotus 33
0
No votes
Lotus 49
20
28%
Lotus 49B/C (Winged)
4
6%
Matra MS10 (Winged)
2
3%
Matra MS80 (Winged)
3
4%
McLaren M7A/B/C (Winged)
4
6%
Porsche 804
0
No votes
 
Total votes: 71

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Bottom post of the previous page:

jimclark wrote: 3 years ago
SB83 wrote: 3 years agoI mean, it focused on speed over everything else.
Which one/s haven' been/aren't? You can say it about any designers cars. You've really got me curious as I've been following F1 a looonnngggg time and never noticed dual (or more) purpose F1 cars.

btw, think BRM H-16 re: stressed engine/box...in the P83 and the Lotus 43. So guess where the idea came from for the Cossie'd 49? ;)

Here ya go; an excerpt from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BRM_P83
"The P83 chassis
Like contemporary designs such as the Lotus 33 and Cooper T81, the P83 chassis was a riveted monocoque made of Duralumin with integral fuel tanks running down the chassis on either side of the driver. Unlike these cars though, the engine was designed to be a stressed member of the chassis in the same configuration that the much more successful Cosworth DFV would later establish as the norm, and was mated to a 6-speed gearbox, with the gear lever unusually situated to the left of the driver. The front suspension was conventionally arranged, with unequal length double wishbones and inboard coil springs and dampers. The rear suspension consisted of twin radius arms, reversed lower wishbones, single top links and outboard springs and dampers, attached to the gearbox and engine."

Also, the 43:
https://web.archive.org/web/20101222151 ... 7_p327.jpg
https://web.archive.org/web/20160304185 ... 7_p328.jpg

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Yea, the 49 wasn't the first to do the stressed member thing. In fact, there was a car that tried it many years before even your example but the name escapes me. Thing is, the 49 actually did it properly, so many people think it did it first. The BRM P83 on the other hand was a design failure in every way conceivable. As for 'which ones aren't (designed for pure speed)', those designed to balance speed and reliability over only speed.
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I seem to recall the original D50s having the engine as a stressed member, with Ferrari putting a frame around it. Or have I got my cars mixed up?
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SB83 wrote: 3 years agoYea, the 49 wasn't the first to do the stressed member thing. In fact, there was a car that tried it many years before even your example but the name escapes me. Thing is, the 49 actually did it properly,so many people think it did it first.
Like yourself.....it was not "first". I was challenging your term "innovation". That it was was not. The D50 was.
Michkov wrote: 3 years agoI seem to recall the original D50s having the engine as a stressed member, with Ferrari putting a frame around it. Or have I got my cars mixed up?
I checked on the Lancia D50 (1954), and, 'quite correct, it did. It took Fangio to WDC in '58 but by then it was a Ferrari D50 and had innovtions removed.) I learned something new today. Thank you, Michkov. :)
SB83 wrote: 3 years agoThe BRM P83 on the other hand was a design failure in every way conceivable. As for 'which ones aren't (designed for pure speed)', those designed to balance speed and reliability over only speed.
If the 49 was only designed for qualifying (your "designed for pure speed" and "only speed"), how did it take Lotus to 2nd, 1st,3rd, and 1st again, in it's 4 seasons used, '67-'70?........Hill and Rindt their WDCs in '68 & 70?
If it were designed "just for speed", how on earth was it able to finish ahead of all those other cars, so often, that were "designed to balance speed and reliability" over Lotus' "only speed"? I see, the proverbial "luck". (I've already stated, "luck" is where opportunity and preparation meet, so that can't be it; it wasn't designed to finish races. So much for the "preparation". :happy: )


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Is that a dry cleaner, or a tumble dryer, I can't decide. Don't we have a thread for pictures of domestic appliances?
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Michael Ferner wrote: 3 years ago Is that a dry cleaner, or a tumble dryer, I can't decide. Don't we have a thread for pictures of domestic appliances?
Got to be a HVAC...
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This was a tough poll, the Lotus 49 is the clear winner, with the Eagle T1G in second. If I combine the Ferrari 312 cars (winged and non-winged), they join in the Eagle in joint 2nd place, with the Sharknose Ferrari joint 3rd with the Honda RA300.

If anyone would like to write a very short paragraph for each car, I will submit it as an article on the main site.
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Lotus 49 for me :thumbsup:
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Still beautiful to look at...shame they were so deadly...
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Don't really have a fave in spite of how I voted.
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Some beautiful pics in this thread
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So, let's push this one over the finish line. It's a little big and obtrustive to be on the index page but you can always minimize it if you don't want to look at it!
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So, an incredible poll, with 71 votes, it's time to pull it from the homepage and declare a winner.

Well, it's no surprise that the top 4 are all dominated by cars from 1967. And no doubt they deserve their place at the top.

1st Place
With 20 votes (a whopping 28% of the total), it's the Lotus 49 which, if you include the winged versions, won 12 races over four seasons.
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2nd Place
The gorgeous Eagle T1G follows in 2nd with 7 votes (10% of the total). Somehow it only won a single race, but this was not a poll for best - only favourite.
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3rd Place
Grabbing the final podium slot is the Ferrari 312, another very pretty car which somehow only won 3 races between 1966 and 1969.
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4th Place
Just outside the podium is the Honda RA300. A little surprising perhaps, given that it wasn't the best car on the grid in 1967, nor was it around for long.
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5th Place
Finally, we have 3 cars in joint 5th place with 4 votes each. They are the winged version of the Lotus 49 and McLaren M7A/B/C cars, which I combined into one for this poll. Joining them is the only real outlier in this poll - the Ferrari 156 Sharknose which is yet to be represented in GPL, but was one of the most iconic Grand Prix cars of the 1960s
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And now onto the cars of the 1970s.
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PTRACER wrote: 4 months ago So, an incredible poll, with 71 votes, it's time to pull it from the homepage and declare a winner.

Well, it's no surprise that the top 4 are all dominated by cars from 1967. And no doubt they deserve their place at the top.


4th Place
Just outside the podium is the Honda RA300. A little surprising perhaps, given that it wasn't the best car on the grid in 1967, nor was it around for long.
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And now onto the cars of the 1970s.
The RA300 sounded really good too. Well I guess all the V12's did.

Anyway John Surtees taking the RA300 for a run at Goodwood. Not the full race experience but still sounded good.


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Everso Biggyballies wrote: 4 months ago Anyway John Surtees taking the RA300 for a run at Goodwood. Not the full race experience but still sounded good.

Totally this: https://www.instagram.com/p/CzybCz1tgsF/
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A rigged vote if ever I saw one! Grrr...

The BRM P83/P115 is surely the 'wunderkar' of the 60's. That it could even get off the grid was a miracle. :)
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The RA300 also has the right proportions for a racecar of the era.
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