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Bottom post of the previous page:

Apparently this is a photo of the remains of the banking:

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Rudi Krause in the banking in 1952/1953.


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Two picture from the 1956 race. The last meeting there.

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Another one of the banking - Werner Gaudigs on NSU-Fiat in 1952.

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sebbbl wrote: 4 years ago Another one of the banking - Werner Gaudigs on NSU-Fiat in 1952.

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I had no idea NSU were still making cars in the 50s.

P.S. Never be shy about posting photos like these.
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The Movie "Rivalen am Steuer" from 1957 contains footage of Dessau and other tracks. The movie bases on the memories of Manfred von Brauchitsch and contains real cars like AWE and even the Auto Union 650. And real drivers like Edi barth, Arthur Rosenhammer or Egon Binner doubled in the racing scenes.

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As far as I know that movie was shot on various sections of the Autobahn near and around Berlin.
A lot of Autobahn junctions had banked curves. That movie was not shot at the Dessauer Rennstrecke.

E.g. the Leipziger Dreieck
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PTRACER wrote: 4 years ago

I had no idea NSU were still making cars in the 50s.
Not NSU, but NSU/Fiat, which makes a big difference. The basic story in brief is, that during the economic crisis of the early thirties the NSU company ran into financial trouble and in order to be able to carry on producing motorcycles at Neckarsulm had to sell their newly built car factory at Heilbronn to the Italian Fiat company. As NSU had already been established as an automobile brand Fiat also bought the naming rights to sell the assembled cars under the NSU/Fiat brand. This carried on until the late 1950ies when NSU decided to get back into car production again with the new "NSU Prinz" model. Fiat carried on with their own production line, first under the new "Neckar" brand (name of the local river), later merely as normal Fiats until production ended in the early seventies.

So Gaudigs´ NSU-Fiat was just another 1100cc Fiat special, only of German production origin.
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For the circuit layout, the original pre-war high-speed record track was of course only the part of the highway (without separation of the lanes i both directions). In 1949 the first circuit was more or less run on the highway alone, with a hairpin at the Southern end and at the North using the exit, over the bridge, and then in another left turn back on the highway again. 1950 was similar, only with a much longer section of the highway in the South.

Finally, in 1952 the layout was basically changed, not longer using the highway exit and the bridge, but rather turning from the highway directly onto something like a forest path (which seems to have been part of the old country road to Dessau before the highway had been built), ending in the banked 180-degree "Kurve der Jugend" and then leading on the new road back to the highway.

I think the reason for the change was, that maybe East Germany wanted to have something similar to the Avus of their own, but AFAIK the banking turned out not to be really effective and I think it had been dropped again by the 1956 edition of the race (but I am not totalöly sure about that).
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Here some shots I have made on a visit in 2010

The long straight leading to the banked corner:
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The concrete ends just at the beginning of the curve
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Remains of the banking
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Abrupt end of the banking (to give way for the new wider country road?)
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thanks for the info @uechtel
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I'm impressed. Thank you @uechtel!
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Thanks @uechtel for the pics and info. :thumbsup:

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sebbbl wrote: 7 years ago
PTRACER wrote:Does that mean the completely flat (i.e. no banking) courses in GPL and rFactor are wrong? Was this banking removed at some point and the circuit used without it?


Yes, completely wrong. Until now, strangely, there were no photographs of that banking; just a drawing in a newspaper of that time. The version for GPL was never used like that... but still a good track to race :thumbsup:

Here's some more on the different layouts: http://www.motorrennsportarchiv.de/locations/dessau/

The banking is still there! Well, sort of...

I was there in 2012 when the Paul-Greifzu-memorial was still there. Now it's inside the Paul-Greifzu-stadium in Dessau.

The Autobahn is absolutely straight there... I pass by that section when I drive from Leipzig to Berlin.
Now they have it much more accurate...




Incredible work:https://www.racedepartment.com/threads/ ... 56.193228/

I guess I have to wait for the GPL version...
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sebbbl wrote: 3 years ago
sebbbl wrote: 7 years ago
PTRACER wrote:Does that mean the completely flat (i.e. no banking) courses in GPL and rFactor are wrong? Was this banking removed at some point and the circuit used without it?
Yes, completely wrong. Until now, strangely, there were no photographs of that banking; just a drawing in a newspaper of that time. The version for GPL was never used like that... but still a good track to race :thumbsup:

Here's some more on the different layouts: http://www.motorrennsportarchiv.de/locations/dessau/

The banking is still there! Well, sort of...

I was there in 2012 when the Paul-Greifzu-memorial was still there. Now it's inside the Paul-Greifzu-stadium in Dessau.

The Autobahn is absolutely straight there... I pass by that section when I drive from Leipzig to Berlin.
Now they have it much more accurate...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FYhgGvk841s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q38zuxHtstw

Incredible work:https://www.racedepartment.com/threads/ ... 56.193228/

I guess I have to wait for the GPL version...
I'm quite impressed by the AC version! Simple track but somehow a lot of fun
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