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DoubleFart wrote: 1 year ago Stroll fans who said Vettel was crap are quiet right now. You love to see it.
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For a bit of fun, I looked up the standings at half distance (half way around lap 26), and calculated time losses in both race halves:

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VER       - (P) +    - (V) =     -
PER     6.9 (P) + 13.9 (V) =  20.8
RUS    19.1 (V) + 26.8 (V) =  45.9
HAM    43.9 (V) + 27.7 (V) =  71.6
GAS    40.6 (V) + 36.6 (-) =  77.2
VET    52.6 (V) + 31.4 (-) =  84.0
ALO    55.8 (P) + 32.7 (-) =  88.5
RIC    44.7 (-) + 47.5 (V) =  92.2
NOR    65.8 (P) + 26.7 (-) =  92.5
OCO    54.4 (-) + 53.7 (V) = 108.1
BOT    63.1 (-) + 54.2 (V) = 117.3*
ALB    65.3 (V) + 53.6 (P) = 118.9*
TSU    49.1 (V) + 71.4 (P) = 120.5*
All figures are gap to leader in seconds rounded to tenths.
(P) includes regular pit stop
(V) includes pit stop under VSC
(-) does not include pit stop
* flagged one lap short, so gap extrapolated from time for 50 laps

I find it quite interesting, and would comment that none of the top three finishers had much reason to push in the second half, and that a pit stop under VSC is considered to be worth ten seconds over a regular pit stop, which probably cost in the region of 21, 22 seconds.
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Everso Biggyballies wrote: 1 year ago
Its maybe not as bad as it looks. Not sure what detail was shown in hi-lights but the tape isnt to hold anything on to the car..... Tsunoda was orange flagged because his DRS was opening more often than it should, so more DRS than others. So he pitted and the tape was to stop the DRS opening at all so it was permanently shut, disabling it in effect, rather than almost fully open.(better no DRS than a DSQ for a breach of regs)
It wasnt them trying to tape something together so it woulnt break off in front of other cars. It was just a disablement attempt.

I would have thought one of their engineers would have been able to disable DRS via his laptop. Maybe that had already been tried. If all else fails use racetape :idunno: :haha:
Err, no. Tsunoda's DRS wing section broke in half. One side was still connected to the DRS, the other side was flapping open at speed. It was the flapping side (connected at the upright, but not in the center) that was at risk of breaking loose. The crew tapped it in the center connecting it to the other half and then used tape to tape down both sides in an attempt to disable the DRS.
Found a pic and posted below. Note how one side is open so far you can no longer see the element. It's flapping behind the main support that runs horizontal (that connects the DRS mechanism).

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I would have given him a hazzard flag for that. Luckily the tape held for the rest of the race, but the fix was "DODGY" at best.
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Whoops..... that was happens when you go from full attention mode to doing other things (like multitasking with Le Mans and making coffee and stuff.).... that little story I told was how I understood what Brundle was saying about how it was opening too often. My bad. I saw the gaffa tape on and put together with what I thought Brundle had said. Oh and I had been awake for 24 hours, by then as well.

I screwed up clearly. :blush: :blush: :blush: Now I know what really happened. Thanks for the correction. Apologies.

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Everso Biggyballies wrote: 1 year ago
Star wrote: 1 year ago
P. Cornelius Scipio wrote: 1 year ago
Star wrote: 1 year ago
All in all it wasn't a race that will live in the memory long, for me it was very forgettable.
I watched the highlights and the most interesting bit seemed to be Vettel's "u-turn" from the run off area... Ferrari ding their usual best at inflicting themselves self harm
All I got was highlights, and to be fair, there weren't many of them as you rightly say.

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I forgot to mention earlier, that tape the put on Tsunoda's rear wing seemed a bit dodgy. Luckily it didn't fail because on a track like that a rear wing failure could have been a complete disaster!!
Its maybe not as bad as it looks. Not sure what detail was shown in hi-lights but the tape isnt to hold anything on to the car..... Tsunoda was orange flagged because his DRS was opening more often than it should, so more DRS than others. So he pitted and the tape was to stop the DRS opening at all so it was permanently shut, disabling it in effect, rather than almost fully open.(better no DRS than a DSQ for a breach of regs)
It wasnt them trying to tape something together so it woulnt break off in front of other cars. It was just a disablement attempt.

I would have thought one of their engineers would have been able to disable DRS via his laptop. Maybe that had already been tried. If all else fails use racetape :idunno: :haha:
Thanks for clarifying that, the way I heard it, he had an issue with the rear wing and they taped it shut. I didn't know it was only that the DRS was opening too often. I clearly missed that part :blush:
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Star wrote: 1 year ago
Everso Biggyballies wrote: 1 year ago
Star wrote: 1 year ago
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Star wrote: 1 year ago
All in all it wasn't a race that will live in the memory long, for me it was very forgettable.
I watched the highlights and the most interesting bit seemed to be Vettel's "u-turn" from the run off area... Ferrari ding their usual best at inflicting themselves self harm
All I got was highlights, and to be fair, there weren't many of them as you rightly say.

Good to see you here again my friend :mates:

I forgot to mention earlier, that tape the put on Tsunoda's rear wing seemed a bit dodgy. Luckily it didn't fail because on a track like that a rear wing failure could have been a complete disaster!!
Its maybe not as bad as it looks. Not sure what detail was shown in hi-lights but the tape isnt to hold anything on to the car..... Tsunoda was orange flagged because his DRS was opening more often than it should, so more DRS than others. So he pitted and the tape was to stop the DRS opening at all so it was permanently shut, disabling it in effect, rather than almost fully open.(better no DRS than a DSQ for a breach of regs)
It wasnt them trying to tape something together so it woulnt break off in front of other cars. It was just a disablement attempt.

I would have thought one of their engineers would have been able to disable DRS via his laptop. Maybe that had already been tried. If all else fails use racetape :idunno: :haha:
Thanks for clarifying that, the way I heard it, he had an issue with the rear wing and they taped it shut. I didn't know it was only that the DRS was opening too often. I clearly missed that part :blush:
As it happens I got it wrong.... read post above by @XcraigX who explains it all as it happened rather than my version which seems to have been more lack of attention and bad interpretation of what I heard..

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I was in a rush first thing this morning, so I only read you rpost @Everso Biggyballies and I assumed I was wrong. Apparently we both were.

Thanks for clarifying the issue with Tsunoda's rear wing @XcraigX, very much appreciated. I thought it was a more serious issue and apparently, it was. So I'll say again, putting tape on it, especially at a track like that with so few run off areas, was a terrible risk in my view.
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There was no structural damage as such, just the one element that broke, hence it opened only partially. They taped the flappy part to the solid one, and disabled DRS, so what was going to go wrong? It's not like one of the stays was damaged, just the element that is designed to swap between those two positions anyway, and now it was fixed. No big deal.
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