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[FiA vs Hamilton] I find rather incomprehensible what's going on with FiA. Point is, if contentious rules are in the place for years, why are we having these discussions so late? Perhaps rules should had been either enforced consistently all the time, or changed long time ago. This kind of lax approach creates nothing but lax compliance. Both, FiA and Hamilton are in wrong, however as long as FiA plays a referee, in theory Hamilton should back off, or face consequences. Application for changes to the rules should be formally submitted through proper channels, if people on the inside think it's worth the effort. I thought it is not that complicated, unless one thinks he is above the law.
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Every study I've ever read would suggest, that both, Brown at McLaren, and Steiner at Haas are mismanaging their drivers. I am not exactly sure how internet got hold of threats allegedly issued by their respective teams against Ricciardo and Schumacher. In the case of Mick, despite not being a clinical psychologist, I do suspect that his boss shares some degree of responsibility for what happened at Monaco this weekend. Mick is obviously trying hard, overdriving machine and the road, just to please his boss, crossing in the process the invisible limit-line. He needs mentoring, not threats, Guenther, and you should know that much (if you actually care). If Haas has another plan and want to hire an American driver, at least be open about it, and state so without playing underhanded games. Mick meanwhile is taking flak from all sides, whether he deserves it, or not. The F1 is not a kindegarten, yet there is better way (IMO) to handle this situation.
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Mick doesn't need a psychologist, unless they're going to explain to him he's not going to be a World Champion and is better driving to his limit and becoming a midfield driver for 10 years rather than chasing the pace of Kmag.
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Schumacher is not performing to the limit of the car, it quite clear. Look at KMag in the same car... he has scored points in a few races, has often qualified into Q3 ) and has also lost opportunity through mechanical failure a couple of times. In Spain after qualifying inQ3 he suffered a racing incident with Hamilton on thee opening lap.

Schumacher has managed 2x10 place qualifyings I know, but on the downside squandered his best chance of a points finish with a silly move on Vettel, failed to start a race because at Jeddah his error in qualifying destroyed the car, and again here in Monaco driver error destroys another car. Yes his principal benefit to the team is not so much talent but more the money he brings, that much has been admitted by the team. The son of Schu tag is now wearing thin because he clearly will never match his Father's skills, or likely not even his Uncle's. Yes maybe he can claim to be on par with Latifi, but Latifi basically funds the Williams team with tens of millions of euros in backing and more than funds his costs.

Steiner is clearly and understandably frustrated.

Brown has never been anything but supportive of Danny who is under performing against his history and his teamate by a huge margin. I know you have a bee in your bonnet about Brown, but it is clear things he has said the lower echelons of motorsport media have mis quotedd and certainly twisted any slight ambiguity to suit their own agendas. He has repeatedly said that from the teams point of view he is under contract until the end of next year Yes, he is openly disappointed Danny is not matching Lando, but so is Danny himself. In fact I would not be surprised if Danny was to thro in the towel before that time if this season continues as it has for him.

Herta or any other name that has been bandied as his replacement is not going to be in the car next year even if Danny was to walk. He has not had a proper test in an F1 car yet, is not used to the braking power of an F1 car over an Indycar, let alone the downforce or the quirks of F1 tyres.. Maybe he has done some PR stunt stuff in an outdated car I dont know, but a few days testing isnt going to get him to F1 ready for 2023 regardless of how much Liberty or McLaren might want an American driver.

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[Mick Schumacher, finding his limits] Many good drivers had mentors in their teams when they were launching their careers. Hamilton had Dennis holding his hand above him since he was 12, Vettel had Dr. Marko, Michael Schumacher had whole team in synch with him, and there were others. Mick in his short stay here has no one in his team to lean on in the area of personal development as a driver. Just one setback after another, from Ferrari mishandling his future, to sitting next to owner's son whose mouth exceeded his accomplishments on the track. Sebastian Vettel is handing helping hand to Mick whenever possible, but Mick needs someone on the inside. It's important. Regarding exposure to hate on the outside, well, some people get kicks out of it, and that is not going to change any time soon. He can very well ignore it.
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Everso Biggyballies wrote: 1 year ago Schumacher is not performing to the limit of the car, it quite clear. Look at KMag in the same car... he has scored points in a few races, has often qualified into Q3 ) and has also lost opportunity through mechanical failure a couple of times. In Spain after qualifying inQ3 he suffered a racing incident with Hamilton on thee opening lap.

Schumacher has managed 2x10 place qualifyings I know, but on the downside squandered his best chance of a points finish with a silly move on Vettel, failed to start a race because at Jeddah his error in qualifying destroyed the car, and again here in Monaco driver error destroys another car. Yes his principal benefit to the team is not so much talent but more the money he brings, that much has been admitted by the team. The son of Schu tag is now wearing thin because he clearly will never match his Father's skills, or likely not even his Uncle's. Yes maybe he can claim to be on par with Latifi, but Latifi basically funds the Williams team with tens of millions of euros in backing and more than funds his costs.

Steiner is clearly and understandably frustrated.

Brown has never been anything but supportive of Danny who is under performing against his history and his teamate by a huge margin. I know you have a bee in your bonnet about Brown, but it is clear things he has said the lower echelons of motorsport media have mis quotedd and certainly twisted any slight ambiguity to suit their own agendas. He has repeatedly said that from the teams point of view he is under contract until the end of next year Yes, he is openly disappointed Danny is not matching Lando, but so is Danny himself. In fact I would not be surprised if Danny was to thro in the towel before that time if this season continues as it has for him.

Herta or any other name that has been bandied as his replacement is not going to be in the car next year even if Danny was to walk. He has not had a proper test in an F1 car yet, is not used to the braking power of an F1 car over an Indycar, let alone the downforce or the quirks of F1 tyres.. Maybe he has done some PR stunt stuff in an outdated car I dont know, but a few days testing isnt going to get him to F1 ready for 2023 regardless of how much Liberty or McLaren might want an American driver.
I didn't say Mick has reached car limits. That much is obvious, however i do suggest that for him effort to find limits contains errors, which he needs to iron out. Guidance "how to" is needed. No one enters the F1 as a complete and experienced driver, however Mick's time with Haas is not exactly exemplary. Kevin has a few years of experience, so he is in different situation.
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Everso Biggyballies wrote: 1 year ago The son of Schu tag is now wearing thin because he clearly will never match his Father's skills, or likely not even his Uncle's.
One thing Chin Jr can claim, though, is to continue his side of the family being better.

At least he's better than David Schumacher!
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D/T 2022.05.30 11:18 UTC
[On subject of post-race ratings of drivers.] A few media outlets do engage in rating driver's race performance. It caught my attention after this race, as there was so little some drivers actually could do, and it made me wonder how do websites arrive to those numbers? When I rate a race, I go by my emotions. That's all. There is no science to it, I have no consistent criteria. Nothing of that kind. I don't want to make an issue out of it, curiosity took over, but as a way of example, one media site rated Vettel's performance in the last race at 7/10.
This is what Vettel said after race:
We managed to pick up a point, which was a good effort because it is always difficult to make progress at Monaco, especially with only one dry line. Given the way the race developed, I do not think we could have finished any higher.
What I would like to hear from those media guys, what Vettel - in their expert opinion - could do, and didn't to make up to 10/10?

I doubt they have a satisfactory answer, and I rather suspect that whole rating system lacks credibility, whilst influencing (manipulating) minds off a lot of its younger readers. Vettel is not the only one who ended up with (perhaps undeservedly) poor rating. A few good drivers got stuck with factors beyond their control.
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Yeah I think there is common consensus between us that the environment at Haas isn't very conducive towards developing young drivers and perhaps a bit more like a military drill. I don't think it's a coincidence that everyone who goes there ends up crashing every other race or so. That said, we've seen plenty of times in Mick's career that he takes his time to get up to speed with the machinery - F3, F2 and now here. Every time I saw Mick in Monaco I was seeing him on the edge and at risk of binning it - which he did in the end so I was not surprised at all to see him crashing like that. I think he'd benefit much more from a swap at Sauber where the culture is more relaxed and with someone like Bottas on his side.
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This was an inconclusive weekend, in many ways. First, there's the track, an outlier in almost every respect, putting an undue amount of importance on track position, and hence qualifying, which in this case happened to be curtailed by a (minor!) accident, throwing another curve ball at the competitors, already in various degrees of disarray due to the usual problems confronting them at this place. Then, there was intermittent rain on Sunday, and lots of (unnecessary?) indecision about how to deal with it, first from officialdom, followed, of course, by more of the same from the teams. Despite all the confusion and booby traps along the way, the race developed into the usual listless procession, where grid position and luck count for more than anything else - can we still learn a thing or two from the Monaco weekend?

Red Bull carried the day, and rightfully so, because the team showed savvy and courage when it came to making decisions, thinking 'on their feet' whenever it mattered. Still, I don't understand why they didn't try to leave Max out on his wets for a few more laps, and change him to slicks without the interlude on intermediates - it would've been worth it, if only to see whether he could find any 'hidden' pace by running out of sync. For once, he was lacking outright speed against his team mate, but showed class and intelligence by not trying to force the issue - Charles Leclerc, take note! Pérez was brilliant, except for that one lock-up (maybe he was distracted by the bird flying across the track at that very moment - I know, I was!) which seems to have taken a toll on his front tyres, but Sergio managed beautifully to the end. Well deserved win, by all means!

For Ferrari to wind up second best after shutting out the front row calls for explanations, and I sincerely hope the team will be level-headed enough to not fall for the tifosi approach (who appear to demand blood all over the internet, already). Yes, I think the car is still slightly faster than the Red Bull, and they have been outsmarted before, but this one here must hurt especially because it was the home race of 'their boy'. What went wrong? Well, I think it will be impossible to know all the details without access to the team radio, but what I sensed was indecision at command level. To me it seems, that Sainz was not ready to accept covering for Pérez when it was asked of him, instead pleading to go for his (very inspired, as it turned out) one-stop strategy, while Leclerc obviously didn't fancy going for slicks that early, and with the possibility of more rain to boot. But, calling the race leader in with a substantial gap to his pursuers in this situation looked very strange, indeed. The 'stacking-up' incident in the pits was less incomprehensible, it was a tight call and didn't lose Charles more than a couple seconds (at best), but unfortunately these were vital when the Red Bulls performed a similar stunt next time round, and with less 'casino'. Unfortunately, those split seconds settled the issue, and with that we circle back to the opening statement about the track...

Is Mercedes continuing its upwards trend? There were glimmers of hope, especially when Russell started making up ground shortly before the red flag, but again, it's difficult to learn much from such a race. Personally, I wouldn't be surprised should they start showing up at the front from the next race onwards, but I'm not yet convinced they can. Ditto for Hamilton and his 'crisis' - he looked alright in Spain, but was this another of his lackluster outings, or merely the consequence of his 'interruptus' in qualifying? Which way is McLaren headed, the Norris way or the Ricciardo way? Is Alpine back in a position to fight for fourth? Was Bottas 'bottled' by his mechanical problems on Friday? Will Vettel and Aston Martin finally start scoring in a regular fashion? Are Alpha Tauri and Haas losing touch? And will Williams ever stop being the last team to rate a mention? Inconclusive, 'twas...
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Michael Ferner wrote: 1 year ago
Red Bull carried the day, and rightfully so, because the team showed savvy and courage when it came to making decisions, thinking 'on their feet' whenever it mattered.
Red Bull is getting the better of Ferrari in the same way they got Mercedes last year. There are track where RB are faster, and they win. There are tracks where the competition is faster, and RB makes the correct strategy call every time to ensure they either win or are a very close 2nd. Either way Red Bull are leading the strategy race and figuring out how to beat any faster competition on a regular basis.
I am impressed with their continued run of form. I have yet to see them put a foot wrong on strategy.
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How Oracle Red Bull Racing’s Hannah Schmitz turns data into high-speed decisions
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Oracle Red Bull Racing’s Hannah Schmitz and her team analyze data

In the fast-paced world of Formula One, the job of a race strategist requires remaining calm while helping to make decisions that can make or break a team’s result.

Strategists like Hannah Schmitz must offer recommendations such as when to pit, what tires to use, and how the team’s drivers should work together, all of which factors in to how a driver finishes.

These high-pressure strategy decisions are part of what makes Formula One so exciting to watch. But the thinking—and the calculations—that Schmitz and her teammates put into these in-the-moment calls begin weeks before a race. It’s this high level of preparation that helps strategists earn the drivers’ trust.

“Data goes into every decision we make,” Schmitz says. “Before we even get to the track, our simulations will have what we expect the tires to do, what we think the overtaking will be at that track, and all the paces we’re expecting of our competitors and us. And then when we’re at the track, we can use data to better estimate all those variables. Basically, we’re constantly using the data and refining those models.”

As principal strategy engineer for the Oracle Red Bull Racing F1 team, Schmitz and her teammates analyze key factors by testing billions of scenarios and combinations using Monte Carlo simulations running on Oracle Cloud Infrastructure (OCI), all to give drivers Max Verstappen and Sergio Pérez the best chance to stand on the podium.

“It’s a key role, sitting trackside on the pit wall, utilizing all the data and information to make decisions about race strategy,” says Christian Horner, team principal and CEO for Oracle Red Bull Racing. “That role is the linchpin.”

Career path: Engineer to strategist

A graduate of the University of Cambridge with a master’s degree in mechanical engineering, Schmitz found her way to Red Bull Racing in 2009 as a student intern. She quickly turned that into a permanent role as a modeling and simulation engineer, then became a core part of Red Bull Racing’s strategy team.

“I worked in vehicle dynamics, at first doing modeling and simulation work, and then after a while, I just felt that I really wanted a more direct connection with racing, and the role came up in strategy,” Schmitz says. “I made the move across to that department, and I’ve been there ever since, nearly 13 years now.”

Schmitz is among the small yet growing group of women with high-ranking roles in F1. She hopes her position gives confidence to the younger generation of female talent looking to break into the business.

“A diverse team is a stronger team,” Schmitz says. “I think to have people of different genders, from different backgrounds and ethnicities, that is really important. Growing up, I didn’t see a lot of women in motorsport, so I really want to help encourage the next generation and say, ‘Yes, come and do it!’ It’s an amazing job, and I absolutely love it.”

Planning for F1 success

In the lead-up to an F1 grand prix, Schmitz and her team create a preview report that looks at all the potential strategies the team might follow on race day. The report incorporates an abundance of data, such as recent race analysis and historical data for a specific track to help predict tire and car performance. They’ll model what happens if there’s a crash at different spots around the track, at different points in the race. They’ll consider the weather forecasts and factor in the odds of light or heavy rain—plus many, many more scenarios and possible outcomes.

By using a modern technology stack on OCI, the team last year was able to increase by 25% the number of Monte Carlo simulations it could run, allowing the team to explore more variables and increase the accuracy of simulations.

Once the team is trackside, Schmitz analyzes data from practice and qualifying races, focusing on variables such as current track conditions, the pace of the car, and tire degradation to further evolve the team’s strategy and map out pit stops. Competitor analysis is another crucial component that helps Oracle Red Bull Racing determine how to navigate rival strategies during a race weekend. As the race unfolds, and these possibilities become reality, strategists continue to quickly model scenarios and offer options that give drivers the best chance to succeed.
Models on OCI show probability of victory

While F1 teams have an arsenal of tools and technology to assist with strategy, the teams are bound by regulations set by the Fédération Internationale de l’Automobile (FIA). For the 2022 season, teams are limited in the time they can spend on trackside modeling and simulation. To manage the time restrictions and spending caps, Oracle Red Bull Racing relies on the power of simulations that they run on OCI.

Oracle Red Bull Racing race strategist standing next to one of the team's vehiclesFor every race, Hannah Schmitz and her teammates analyze key factors such as tires, pace, and overtakes to optimize their strategy against the competition.

“Monte Carlo simulation is basically a way of using randomness to solve a problem,” says Schmitz. “We can come up with plots showing us our expected point score based on certain strategies. And you get some nice curves, and you can see where the peak of those points is. And that helps us decide how many stops we’re going to make, and which tires we’re going to fit, and what laps we might want to think about pitting on.”

Using the power and flexibility of Oracle Container Engine for Kubernetes to containerize the team’s simulation application, and running on Oracle Cloud’s Arm-based virtual servers, the team can scale up its simulation platform while keeping costs within the sport’s tight spending regulations. “Using Oracle will allow us to run more simulations, look at more things, and have an edge on our competitors,” Schmitz says.

Tire use offers one specific example of a decision facing Schmitz and her teammates. Each F1 team has the same quantity of tires they can use during a race weekend based on regulations, so deciding which tires to fit for each race, and each part of a race, is an enormously crucial strategy decision. The freshness of the tires directly impacts the pace and performance of the car, so getting that right can translate into a boost that helps win a race.

This was evident in the 2019 Brazilian Grand Prix, when Schmitz made a call to pit Verstappen for a third time even though it meant handing the lead to his pursuing rival. It was a risky call, but with a fresh set of tires, Verstappen was able to quickly regain the first-place position and win the penultimate race of the season. In a career highlight, Schmitz joined Verstappen on the victory podium and collected the Constructors trophy for the team.

But no one on the Oracle Red Bull Racing team dwells long on past glories. Schmitz’s competitiveness always has her thinking about the next race, looking for ways she can innovate and use technology such as OCI to give the team an advantage.

“Everybody has the same access to the same data, but it’s what you do with that data that gives you the edge,” she says. “And then it’s also about the people and the experience. All of that together is what gives you the edge and helps you be a championship winning team.”

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A job I wish didn't exist. :aggro:
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A bit of background on the Ferrari dilemma:

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Michael Ferner wrote: 1 year ago A bit of background on the Ferrari dilemma:

:haha: I wish you had posted that video a couple of hours ago.... it would have saved me many cclicks and much reading as I searched for the answers that video provided to answer my questions of just where did it all go wrong. Reading done and answers found, I also found you were asking the same please explain answers.... I was about to answer your question below when the video appeared.
Michael Ferner wrote:For Ferrari to wind up second best after shutting out the front row calls for explanations, and I sincerely hope the team will be level-headed enough to not fall for the tifosi approach (who appear to demand blood all over the internet, already).

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