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Regarding the San Marino Vs Emilia Romagna discussion, I think historically there was pressure on races to be named after a country.. so you ended up with a Swiss grand Prix in France, a Luxembourg grand Prix in Germany, and a San Marino grand Prix in Italy. (I think I'm part it was to disguise the fact that countries had multiple races).

Imola has now hosted the Italian Grand Prix, San Marino Grand Prix and the Emilia Romagna Grand Prix. Only one circuit has hosted four differently named grand Prix.. who wants to tell the class which circuit that was? 😂
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Everso Biggyballies wrote: 2 years ago
Circuitmaster wrote: 2 years ago We all are!

Regarding the San Marino Vs Emilia Romagna discussion, I think historically there was pressure on races to be named after a country.. so you ended up with a Swiss grand Prix in France, a Luxembourg grand Prix in Germany, and a San Marino grand Prix in Italy. (I think I'm part it was to disguise the fact that countries had multiple races).

Imola has now hosted the Italian Grand Prix, San Marino Grand Prix and the Emilia Romagna Grand Prix. Only one circuit has hosted four differently named grand Prix.. who wants to tell the class which circuit that was? 😂
Eifel GP, German GP, Luxembourg GP and European GP. And it begins in 'N' and ends in ring.. :wink:
Norisring? Wrong. 😉
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Circuitmaster wrote: 2 years ago We all are!

Regarding the San Marino Vs Emilia Romagna discussion, I think historically there was pressure on races to be named after a country.
Not really. For years, we had a Long Beach GP and a Detroit GP. Sure, there were people calling it the US GP This and US GP That, but the official name was always LB and Detroit. There is a historical explanation for all of this, but it's longwinded and I don't think there's enough interest here, is there?
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GP USA West and East.
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Was San Marino sponsored by their tourist board some time? I'm sure I saw a video on the delights of San Marino ahead of one of the races, possibly 1981

San Marino is basically a bit of a hill surrounded by a bit of a town. But it looked nice in an Italian sort of way
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erwin greven wrote: 2 years ago GP USA West and East.
This is how I see it. (The official F1 website does too.)
When there was only one GP in a year they were known as the USGP. When there was more than one GP in the US in any year they were known as @erwin greven indicates, US GP West / East.
So we had US GPs held at Watkins Glen, and also some US GP Easts held at Watkins Glen. Same with Detroit As below.

*Not including the Indy 500 years.*

48 US GP's
15 at Watkins Glen (1961-75)
9 at Austin
8 at Indianapolis
4 at Detroit (1985/6/7/8)
3 at Phoenix
1 at Sebring
1 at Riverside
1 at Dallas

8 US West GPs (8 at Long Beach)

8 US East GPs
(5 at Watkins Glen, 1976/7/8/9/80
3 at Detroit. 1982/3/4)

The only GP's in the US not titled US seem to be Las Vegas. Titled Las Vegas GP but promoted and known officially as the Caesars Palace GP. Both of them.

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Oh forgot about the 50's ones at Indianapolis. They AFAIK just took the Indy 500 tag.

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Michael Ferner wrote: 2 years ago
Circuitmaster wrote: 2 years ago We all are!

Regarding the San Marino Vs Emilia Romagna discussion, I think historically there was pressure on races to be named after a country.
Not really. For years, we had a Long Beach GP and a Detroit GP. Sure, there were people calling it the US GP This and US GP That, but the official name was always LB and Detroit. There is a historical explanation for all of this, but it's longwinded and I don't think there's enough interest here, is there?
Oh I know it wasn't always the case. We used to get Avus GP, Pescara GP, Caesars Palace GP.. but I think that at some points in history there was pressure to assign races to countries to the point where they went to countries that they weren't in. It only happened in the 80s and 90s (For world championship events anyway)
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Everso Biggyballies wrote: 2 years ago
erwin greven wrote: 2 years ago GP USA West and East.
This is how I see it. (The official F1 website does too.)
When there was only one GP in a year they were known as the USGP. When there was more than one GP in the US in any year they were known as @erwin greven indicates, US GP West / East.
So we had US GPs held at Watkins Glen, and also some US GP Easts held at Watkins Glen. Same with Detroit As below.

*Not including the Indy 500 years.*

48 US GP's
15 at Watkins Glen (1961-75)
9 at Austin
8 at Indianapolis
4 at Detroit (1985/6/7/8)
3 at Phoenix
1 at Sebring
1 at Riverside
1 at Dallas

8 US West GPs (8 at Long Beach)

8 US East GPs
(5 at Watkins Glen, 1976/7/8/9/80
3 at Detroit. 1982/3/4)

The only GP's in the US not titled US seem to be Las Vegas. Titled Las Vegas GP but promoted and known officially as the Caesars Palace GP. Both of them.

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Oh forgot about the 50's ones at Indianapolis. They AFAIK just took the Indy 500 tag.
Actually some grand Prix at Detroit were designated Detroit GP, and the race in Dallas was the Dallas GP.
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As I said,
Michael Ferner wrote: 2 years ago Sure, there were people calling it the US GP This and US GP That, but the official name was always LB and Detroit.
There was never a US Grand Prix at Detroit, and the Long Beach GP was only once called the "USA Grand Prix West of Long Beach", or something like that. But I know, there is a tendency to rewrite history retrospectively, for whatever reasons. And it's no surprise to see the FIA actively involved in that.

Even more so, there is also the case of the 1976 Japanese Grand Prix, which was a Formula 2000 race won by Jacques Laffite, and not the 1976 WDC decider won by Mario Andretti. People don't want to accept that, maybe because it derails their tidy sense of what history "should be", but the facts are indisputable - I wrote a post on TNF about that several years ago:

https://forums.autosport.com/topic/6485 ... ?p=1827111

EDIT: I should mention that the links in the TNF post are no longer valid, since the JAF website changed its structure and layout considerably several years ago.
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Michael Ferner wrote: 2 years ago As I said,
Michael Ferner wrote: 2 years ago Sure, there were people calling it the US GP This and US GP That, but the official name was always LB and Detroit.
There was never a US Grand Prix at Detroit, and the Long Beach GP was only once called the "USA Grand Prix West of Long Beach", or something like that. But I know, there is a tendency to rewrite history retrospectively, for whatever reasons. And it's no surprise to see the FIA actively involved in that.

Even more so, there is also the case of the 1976 Japanese Grand Prix, which was a Formula 2000 race won by Jacques Laffite, and not the 1976 WDC decider won by Mario Andretti. People don't want to accept that, maybe because it derails their tidy sense of what history "should be", but the facts are indisputable - I wrote a post on TNF about that several years ago:

https://forums.autosport.com/topic/6485 ... ?p=1827111
Correct, only the first F1 Long Beach race in 1976 was called United States Grand Prix West. Between 1977-79 it was called Long Beach Grand Prix and then Toyota Grand Prix of Long Beach from 1980-83 - the name & sponsor carried to CART after that.

It makes no real difference unless you missed that 2021 Brazilian Grand Prix was actually 2021 Sao Paulo Grand Prix.

The 1976 F1 race at Fuji wasn't listed as Japanese GP at first even looking at the event poster. And it's been called as XII Japanese Grand Prix in retrospect - the XI Japanese GP is the Formula 2000 race at Suzuka won by Laffite which actually happened two weeks after the F1 race at Fuji.
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Chelski seized by UK government. Well that's cheered everyone up here a little bit.
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Well, I would worry about that. Are they going to sell it as quickly as possible, or is the UK government planning on using tax money to run a football club?


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Michael Ferner wrote: 2 years ago Well, I would worry about that. Are they going to sell it as quickly as possible, or is the UK government planning on using tax money to run a football club?


EDIT: a one-minute research reveals it to be fake news.
Fake news that's all over the BBC? Should have done 2 minutes of research :haha:
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The problem is journalists today don't know the difference between "freezing assets" and "seizing assets".
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Michael Ferner wrote: 2 years ago The problem is journalists today don't know the difference between "freezing assets" and "seizing assets".
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Michael Ferner wrote: 2 years ago The problem is journalists today don't know the difference between "freezing assets" and "seizing assets".
So with the assets "frozen" does that mean the team cant trade? ie Fans cant buy a ticket to a game (unless I already have a season ticket) and I cant buy an official club hat or T-shirt from the club?

Sounds like it could be a bonus for ticket agencies who have the right to sell Chelsea tickets..... they receive the money but are not allowed to give the money received to the Ruski who owns the Club.
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