2021 Max v Lewis Hungry for More Hungarian GP

[Ruslan]

Bottom post of the previous page:

Aston seem pretty hopeful the extra fuel can be extracted, they say the fuel pump failed, so it's stuck in there somewhere

That would be nice to see. I sort of hate to see a driver get randomly disqualified. I gather Aston Martin is claiming they had 1.44 liters in the car.

[Everso Biggyballies]

What's the reasoning behind the necessity to provide a certain amount of fuel after a race?

I believe the 1 litre minimum is because the sample gets split into I dont know but lets say 10x 100ml vials and they will all be used for individual but different tests to ensure the fuel meets all the parameters regulated, from octane rating to testing from a number of additives and percentage... level of bio-fuel included, anti friction agents etc etc.
A bit like blood test where they take out 'an armful' of blood, split into a number of little vials and test for all sorts of things. They dont use the same bulk bottle to perform all the tests.

A bit more info..... I was on the right track with my previous suggestion above of multiple tests, but also the FIA send or split the sample for use by various parties The FIA needs that much fuel because initially it provides three samples, one that is tested by the FIA fuel specialist at the track, one that goes to an independent lab, and one that is retained by the team. Some is also kept aside in case a more detailed form of testing might be required later.

[Aty]

This is second time AM seems to be protesting too much, and I think they do know that. Hard to say whether protest is suppose to be speaking more to the owner, or to general public. Stroll is probably not impressed right now how things are evolving.

FiA stewards already stated quite unequivocally that AM was given benefit of doubt and sufficient opportunity to recover necessary amount of fuel. After several attempts AM failed at that. Simply put, I would not hold my breath this will change any time soon and after big headlines for a week they will withdraw protest (again). Vettel has every reason to feel robbed today, and also of nice feeling over summer break.

[Mawerick]

We race as one... For one cause.

Yes. Money.

[PTRACER]

This is second time AM seems to be protesting too much, and I think they do know that. Hard to say whether protest is suppose to be speaking more to the owner, or to general public. Stroll is probably not impressed right now how things are evolving.

FiA stewards already stated quite unequivocally that AM was given benefit of doubt and sufficient opportunity to recover necessary amount of fuel. After several attempts AM failed at that. Simply put, I would not hold my breath this will change any time soon and after big headlines for a week they will withdraw protest (again). Vettel has every reason to feel robbed today, and also of nice feeling over summer break.

It seems the fuel is deep inside the engine/pump and the general procedures prohibit them from taking the car apart to retrieve fuel.

Let's see how the FIA takes it I guess.

[Aty]

This is second time AM seems to be protesting too much, and I think they do know that. Hard to say whether protest is suppose to be speaking more to the owner, or to general public. Stroll is probably not impressed right now how things are evolving.

FiA stewards already stated quite unequivocally that AM was given benefit of doubt and sufficient opportunity to recover necessary amount of fuel. After several attempts AM failed at that. Simply put, I would not hold my breath this will change any time soon and after big headlines for a week they will withdraw protest (again). Vettel has every reason to feel robbed today, and also of nice feeling over summer break.

It seems the fuel is deep inside the engine/pump and the general procedures prohibit them from taking the car apart to retrieve fuel.

Let's see how the FIA takes it I guess

This quote seems to support my point of view:

According to Germany’s Automotor und Sport, the appeal is unlikely to succeed as modern Formula 1 power units prove nearly impossible to physically remove the fuel system, where Aston Martin believes there’s the correct amount of fuel waiting to be tested.

[Circuitmaster]

Have they tried holding the car upside down and shaking it? That's how I get picks out of my guitar.. same basic principle I imagine.

[Ian-S]

LOL I was gonna say that!

[erwin greven]

Have they tried holding the car upside down and shaking it? That's how I get picks out of my guitar.. same basic principle I imagine.

[White six]

Have they tried holding the car upside down and shaking it? That's how I get picks out of my guitar.. same basic principle I imagine.

Attach one end to Lawrence and the amount of shite coming out of him should blow the fuel out the other end

[MonteCristo]

Also the four drivers that wore a T-shirt in support of LGBTQ+ rights during the pre-race WeRaceAsOne observance were also not penalised but reprimanded.
(Under F1’s rule drivers are required to remove any T-shirts and stand for the national anthem in their race overalls.}
However Vettel Sainz, Bottas and Stroll all did the same, and neglected to remove their T-shirts before the anthem.

The stewards noted: “The drivers explained that they forgot to take off the WRAO t-shirt in time during the national anthem because of the onset of rain.”

Get a life, stewards and worry about giving the correct penalties to people like Lewis last race or Bottas this week.

The shirt they got in trouble for wearing.....

"I would do it again."

[MonteCristo]

Alonso deserves half of that win, he did Ocon a huge favour by keeping Hamilton behind him for as long as he did. That was some awesome driving right there to keep ahead of Hamilton. So huge respect for Nando at this point.

[Star]

Alonso deserves half of that win, he did Ocon a huge favour by keeping Hamilton behind him for as long as he did. That was some awesome driving right there to keep ahead of Hamilton. So huge respect for Nando at this point.

Well then both Max and Esteban very much owe Alonso a pint then. I was proud of him for doing what he did too, maybe I owe him one as well

[Star]

Apparently Ferrari had said that the engine on Leclercs car was so badly damaged from the crash with Lance Stroll that they can't fix it and Charles will need a new engine next race. This means that later on in the season he could well incur a grid penalty for using more than the allowed amount of engines in a season.

Should Stroll incur a penalty for that or does it get marked down as just one of those things in motor racing?

[Everso Biggyballies]

Apparently Ferrari had said that the engine on Leclercs car was so badly damaged from the crash with Lance Stroll that they can't fix it and Charles will need a new engine next race. This means that later on in the season he could well incur a grid penalty for using more than the allowed amount of engines in a season.

Should Stroll incur a penalty for that or does it get marked down as just one of those things in motor racing?

Just one of those things.
Whilst talking about engines it was mentioned that Max went into the Hungarian event using the engine from the Silverstone crash. At some stage (I think after Friday) Honda decided to change the engine. They have now confirmed the engine was changed because the block was cracked in the accident. Apparently it is repairable but there is now confusion as to whether by repairing the engine it breaches the 3 per season engine rule in some way.

[Everso Biggyballies]

Images released of how badly damaged Max's car was in the Hungarian opening lap crash.... Horner jokingly said that Max's car certainly had much less downforce than the Haas of Schumacher. (The Haas being known to suffer from having little downforce compared to others)
Looking at the images it is remarkable he managed to restart really. No wonder he struggled for pace.

Despite the red flag offering Red Bull the chance to effect repairs – which included taping up holes and bending pipework back in to shape – in the end some damage could not be fixed in time before the race itself got properly going.

"It was just too much," said Horner, who added that Verstappen "had half a car".

But while from far away television cameras Verstappen's RB16B did not look too badly out of shape, it was only after the race that the extent of what he was battling again came to light.

An intriguing close-up photo posted on Formula 1's own Instagram feed highlighted how Verstappen had been missing almost the entire suite of aerodynamic components on the right side of his car.

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Horner himself indicated that internal damage to the coolers housed within the sidepod would have been a race-ending factor.

"The temperatures were off the scale and they had to straighten pipes and fix the right side as much as possible in very limited time," he explained.

This scenario raises further questions about the state of his engine.

Although were no concerns immediately after the race, it is not impossible that the crash could have longer-term implications on the state of his power unit, which had been fitted fresh on race morning after Honda discovered a crack in the unit salvaged from his British Grand Prix wreck.

Red Bull's focus on repairing the cooler and pipework had a big impact on how much of the bodywork could be fixed too, with only the sidepod bodywork replaced, as it had been punctured during the accident.

The splitter and floor could only be simply secured, tidied up and their edges taped.

The remaining bargeboard and sidepod deflector elements were trimmed back, so that they didn't disintegrate and create more debris.

https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/the-i ... r/6641449/