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Eff 1 moves on from the battles and never ending discussion re the Silverstone whodunnit episode.... to the Hungarian Grand Prix for the final event before the sport's 4 week vacation (After Hungary nothing until Spa 29/8) The world was gripped by the collision between Max and Lewis at Silverstone last time out, and we're on tenterhooks to see what will happen in Hungary.

I for one am thankful the last two weeks are over as I was getting to find the whole Lewis v Max tantrums, not to mention the antics of Horner and Marco, very tedious.

I no longer care whose fault it was or why..... it happened, we know the result and like it or not it has happened. Nothing can turn back what happened and is now history. (I cant see anything coming out of the Red Bull push for a fresh enquiry.... surely the FIA are not foolish enough to set any new precedents over procedures in such instances .

Time to move on.....

So, nett result is 8 points split the championship protagonists as Max Verstappen and Lewis Hamilton get ready for a scrap in Budapest this weekend. Time will tell if either have learnt anything from Silverstone.

I guess time to say looking forward to a more normal structure for the weekend. The overall sprint format to me was more confusing than fun. Good for the occasional one off but glad to return to normality.

Not the most favoured of all F1 tracks, and has often produced a somewhat boring and processional race due to the lack of overtaking opportunities. However to be fair we have seen some cracking duels over the years and some strange results. It has often given us the unusual, and frequently has been incident and controversy filled.

MONACO WITHOUT THE HOUSES.....

Obviously such a tight and twisty circuit demands a good qualifying performance and
a strong start as it’s extremely difficult to overtake.

It is surrounded by beautiful countryside and has a natural amphitheatre setting. The Grid Girls are generally good, and the Hookers plentiful Thats the nice part.
The grid girls are all part of the local hooker movement that operates throughout the paddock.In fact Hungary is the only GP that has its own legal on site brothel. Not sure if that is still going on given the Covid restrictions and protocols......
The world's first purpose-built, open-air, super-efficient Grand Prix bordello is open for
business today for spectators at the Hungarian Grand Prix. It offers lavatories and showers,
private hardboard booths, and up to 500 specially bussed-in prostitutes.

The sexual pit-stop, set-up by the local authority on a site next door to the circuit, is open
every night for five days around the race, from 8pm till 3am. Prices of around £100 a visit
are being quoted.

Prostitution is legal in Hungary, though strictly controlled, but this is the first time a public
red light zone has been declared, under a new anti-mafia law approved in December.

There's nothing new about prostitutes flocking to the Grand Prix in search of work, of course.
The village of Mogyorod, nine miles from Budapest, which has set up the brothel, is invaded
annually by hundreds of thousands of racegoers, and its otherwise quiet streets have for
years been an unofficial red light zone during the Grand Prix weekend.

"This phenomenon exists everywhere, whether we forbid it or not, so why not do it openly?"
said Sandor Toth, the mayor of Mogyorod. Most residents seem to approve - they say the only
thing that has changed is that the prostitutes are off the streets and in the brothel - which suits
them.


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First Grand Prix
1986

Number of Laps
70

Circuit Length
4.381km

Race Distance
306.63 km

Lap Record
1:16.627 Lewis Hamilton (2020)


When was the track built?
Work began on the Hungaroring in 1985, and the track was race-ready just nine months later. The Hungarian government had originally considered reviving the old Nepliget park circuit in Budapest in a bid to host Formula 1 in the country, but in the end decided to create a purpose-built facility instead.

When was its first Grand Prix?
The year was 1986. Nelson Piquet won the first F1 race around the Hungaroring, famously slithering his Williams around the outside of Ayrton Senna’s Lotus to take the lead.

What’s the circuit like?
The lack of straights at the Hungaroring often sees it compared to a karting circuit – and it’s true, the resemblance is uncanny. With several series of corners to string together, teams opt for Monaco levels of downforce, with a well-sorted chassis tending to be rewarded over horsepower given the short straights on offer. It’s a challenge many of the drivers relish, however, with finding a good rhythm key to setting fast lap times.

THE CIRCUIT

Approaching Turn 1
Heavy braking from almost 300km/h on the main straight to under 100km/h at the
first turn creates the most likely overtaking opportunity on the circuit.

Turn 2
The track runs quite noticeably downhill into turn two. With high potential for
drivers to outbrake themselves here, they will need to keep their wits about them.

Turns 3 & 4
Moderate braking from 240km/h to 150km/h at Turn 5 follows the slight kink
of Turn 4; a tricky series of corners taken at medium / high speed.

Turns 4-11
Turns 4 to 11 very much lead into each other so there’s little braking here and no
room for error, as a small mistake at any stage can have a big effect on overall lap
time. The drivers need a well-balanced car with good change of direction capabilities
through this section.

Turn 13
The second slowest corner on the circuit, Turn 13 is a tight left hander taken at
around 100km/h before launching the car into the final turn…

Turns 14
A good exit from the third gear turn fourteen is crucial, as it leads on to the
circuits’only straight and subsequently into turn one; the best overtaking
opportunity around the lap.


Hungaroring:

The layout of Hungaroring has changed twice

The original Grand Prix circuit was 4.014 km long and had 16 turns, but after the 1988 Hungarian Grand Prix, some changes were made and the track was shortened to 3,975 km with 13 turns. That layout was used until 2002 when another modification was made. The current layout has 16 turns and it is 4,381 km long. The stands capacity is 70.000 seats but during the first Hungarian Grand Prix in 1986, almost 200.000 spectators were present to see Nelson Piquet’s victory.

The event, which takes place in a natural valley, attracted large crowds, and has gradually emerged as one of the most popular venues for spectators, aided by the presence of nearby Budapest. Not a favourite of many of the drivers although some like it.

Surprisingly, the Hungaroring has been an ever-present on the calendar since its inaugural race, with only Monaco and Monza boasting a longer uninterrupted run. Prior to Covid interrupting last year there were 35 consecutive races.

The circuit, which has not been modified since 2003, is known for its tight and twisty nature, with an array of medium-speed corners, and few overtaking opportunities.

HISTORY

Of course 1986 was not really the first Hungarian GP.....

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The first Grand Prix race in Hungary was held in Budapest in 1936.
Tazio Nuvolari won the race driving the Scuderia Ferrari Alfa Romeo, with Bernd Rosemeyer second,
14 seconds behind, and Achille Varzi third, two laps behind, both in Auto Unions.

Rosemeyer had taken Pole position.


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Although it was a roaring success - over 100,000 attended - political change
and the onset of war meant and end to racing until Formula One returned in
1986.


Formula One returned in 1986. It was the first F1 race behind the Iron Curtain.

A huge crowd of over 200,000 welcomed the F-1 race to the Hungaroring,
outside of Budapest. Nelson Piquet won on the day after executing a bold
overtaking 'Sao Paulo Taxi Driver move' around the outside of Ayrton Senna
at the first corner. The race has since been ever-present on the F1 calendar.

The Crowd at Hungaroring to welcome F1 in 1986

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It was the scene of BMW's first podium, six years ago. In fact they
scored a podium here for their first two years, both coming from Quick Nick.


Jenson Button had his first ever win here in 2006 So did Kovalainen in
2008.. Actually it was Damon Hills first win back in 1993

It was also the scene of Alonso's first ever win back in 2003. Since then
he has had a somewhat unsuccessful time, and had his nuts drop off in 2006,
and failed to score in 2005 following a first lap nosejob which dropped him
down the field. In 2007 his troubled time at the track hit rock bottom with his
Blackmail attempt of the the Ronster when he theatened to send the contents
of his 'Outlook Express Mail Box' to Max. His career at McLaren was on the
rocks from that moment on,. not that it wasnt already.., qualy games with LH
when he blocked his final lap after LH did a dirty on him by going against their
agreement added weight to handbags. 2008 he got a 4th but last year was a
DNF after a pump failure. Things have improved the last couple of years with
a 2nd and 3rd place podium.

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Memorable Hungarian Grand Prix moments:

1986 - The first race behind the iron curtain produced one of the most
memorable overtaking manoeuvres of the 1980s turbo era. The 200,000 strong
crowds saw a fantastic battle unfold between Nelson Piquet’s Williams and
Ayrton Senna’s Lotus. Piquet sealed the victory by taking Senna round the
outside into turn one and holding a lurid oversteering slide through the apex to
ensure the Lotus 98T had no comeback.



1986 Start
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1986 Hungary - Berger has a moment
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Patrese crashes the lowline Brabham Hungary 1986
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1989 - Nigel Mansell took one of his most accomplished victories at the
Hungaroring in 1989, scything through from 12th on the grid in his Ferrari,
after electing to concentrate on his Ferrari's race set-up, rather than
qualifying set-up. He took the lead with a brilliantly opportunistic move in which
he boxed Senna in behind the slower car of Stefan Johansson.

Nigel Mansell's Greatest Drives - Hungary 1989




1990 - Thierry Boutsen gave a masterclass on how to win at the
Hungaroring, defending first place throughout the race in an inferior car. The
Belgian Williams driver had a faultless race, while a queue of faster cars
squabbled for position behind him. After two major incidents - one where
Senna took Alesandro Nanini out and another where Gerhard Berger and
Mansell took each other out - Senna’s McLaren became the only threat to
Boutsen’s lead. But the Belgian kept his head and held off Senna right to the
flag, winning by just 0.3s.

1992 Ayrton Senna won the race in 1992, but Nigel Mansell, who came
home second, celebrated by wrapping up the 1992 World Championship in
record time.

1997 - Having been ousted from Williams as world champion in 1997,
Damon Hill was delivered a cruel twist of fate at the Hungarian Grand Prix.

Driving the unfancied Arrows, Hill surprised everyone as he qualified third and
after nine laps passed Schumacher for the lead. In the closing stages Hill had
a 30 second advantage over his ex-team-mate at Williams, Jacques Villeneuve.

Everything looked set for a great underdog victory, but Hill’s lap times
dropped dramatically in the final laps allowing Villeneuve to close in. With just
half a lap remaining, the Williams passed the labouring Arrows with ease and
took the win. After the race Hill’s problem was diagnosed as a throttle linkage
failure, caused by a broken washer worth 50 cents.


1998 - It was a race that typified the strategic cunning of Ross Brawn.

The McLarens of Mika Hakkinen and David Coulthard looked set to walk the
race having locked out the front row in qualifying - setting times half a second
faster than Schumacher. But as the window for the second pit stops came
around, Brawn decided to shake up the order and short-fuelled Schumacher to
get him ahead of the McLarens. It worked perfectly. From that point on it was
down to the German to make the difference. He did just that, building up a big
enough lead to allow him to pit for a third time and stay ahead of Hakkinen
through to the flag.

2004 Hungarian GP Highlights.



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2005 Ross Brawn ate a banana!



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2006 - An unexpected rain shower turned what is usually a mundane
affair into the race of the season. The Hungaroring opened up to overtaking,
with Jenson Button coming through from 14th on the grid to take the win.
Fernando Alonso had looked on for victory midway through the race, but just
after his one and only pit stop a loose wheel nut forced him into retirement.

Elsewhere in the field Michael Schumacher got involved in scrapes with the
Michelin-shod cars of Pedro de la Rosa and Nick Heidfeld. The seven-time
world champion struggled on the less competitive Bridgestone intermediate and
finally retired after clashing with Heidfeld’s BMW, and controversially
avoiding DSQ for skipping chicanes and gaining positions..


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Honest, We are Best Mates and 'That' Pit Stop
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2007 - McLaren infighting. More of a lowlight but memorable anyway.

There was controversy when Hamilton's team-mate - and chief rival - Fernando
Alonso deliberately blocked him in the final moments of qualifying, in order to
make sure that he would get pole position as a payback for Lewis breaking a
team agreement. It was underhand and decidedly unsporting of both drivers
but Alonso forgot that the FIA likes to keep a close eye on McLaren. It took
nine hours for the stewards to figure out a ruling (one wonders why) and the
conclusion seemed wildly excessive: Alonso had to give up his pole and start
sixth on the grid but the team was informed that it would not be able to collect
Constructors' Championship points. Had the team not lost all of its points, this
fact alone would have lost them the WCC.

Alonso was the big loser of the weekend because not only did he lose points
to Hamilton but his squeaky clean image as a sportsman is gone for ever. He is a
man who wants to win and if necessary at all costs......A shame.


2008 was one of the many races that lost Massa the
Championship, leading comfortably when his Ferrari engine gave up two laps
before the end, right in front of the pits to become the 7th Ferrari engine
failure of the year (including those at STR) Kovalainen picked up the pieces
and took his first and only F1 win.


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2009

Of course the one thing we all remember from Hungary 2009 was the
accident that befell the unforunate Felipe Massa. Also Alonso lost a wheel
after his pitstop (for which the Renault team, in a knee-jerk reaction to the
Surtees and Massa accidents,) promptly got banned from the next GP, a decision
which was dropped, reversed on appeal..

We wondered, 'Had the Brawn bublle burst?' So off the mark after a dominant spell.

Webber's podium moved him up to second overall in the WDC, and within 18.5
points of Button, whose measly two points brought his score to 70 on a day when
two of his major rivals - Vettel and Barrichello - failed to score.

2010
Mark Webber took his 4th win as he lead the title chase in a race thatVettel was leading
comfortably, until a Safety Car intervened. Chaos in the pits eliminated Adrian Sutil, who
was hit by Robert Kubica when Renault performed an unsafe release. Nico Rosberg also
retired after his Mercedes lost a right rear wheel, which rolled dangerously at high speed
through a neighbouring pit. Webber stayed out to lead the restart, but a confusion which
was for dropping more than 10 lengths behind the Safety Car prior to the restart. due to a
radio fault with Vettel following the SC had him dropping more than 10 lengths behind the
Safety Car prior to the restart.. This led to a penalty for Seb, who dropped well back in
the field. Vettel fought back up to 3rd behind Webber and Alonso at the end.

Another Hungaroring incident was Schumacher running Barrichello towards the pit wall,
which upset Barrichello, and the stewards were non impressed as they gave Michael a
10 place grid penalty for the next race at Spa.


Cant talk about the History of the Hungarian GP without posting this clip.
Piquet and Senna from 1986....




Winners of the Hungarian Grand Prix

1986 - Nelson Piquet (Williams-Honda)
1987 - Nelson Piquet (Williams-Honda)
1988 - Ayrton Senna (McLaren-Honda)
1989 - Nigel Mansell (Ferrari)
1990 - Thierry Boutsen (Williams-Renault)
1991 - Ayrton Senna (McLaren-Honda)
1992 - Ayrton Senna (McLaren-Honda)
1993 - Damon Hill (Williams-Renault)
1994 - Michael Schumacher (Benetton-Ford)
1995 - Damon Hill (Williams-Renault)
1996 - Jacques Villeneuve (Williams-Renault)
1997 - Jacques Villeneuve (Williams-Renault)
1998 - Michael Schumacher (Ferrari)
1999 - Mika Häkkinen (McLaren-Mercedes)
2000 - Mika Häkkinen (McLaren-Mercedes)
2001 - Michael Schumacher (Ferrari)
2002 - Rubens Barrichello (Ferrari)
2003 - Fernando Alonso (Renault)
2004 - Michael Schumacher (Ferrari)
2005 - Kimi Räikkönen (McLaren-Mercedes)
2006 - Jenson Button (Honda)
2007 - Lewis Hamilton (McLaren-Mercedes)
2008 - Heikki Kovalainen (McLaren-Mercedes)
2009 - Lewis Hamilton (McLaren-Mercedes)
2010 - Mark Webber (Red Bull-Renault)
2011 - Jenson Button (McLaren-Mercedes)
2012 - Lewis Hamilton (McLaren-Meredes)
2013 - Lewis Hamilton (Mercedes)
2014 - Daniel Ricciardo (Red Bull-Renault)
2015 - Sebastian Vettel (Scuderia Ferrari)
2016 - Lewis Hamilton (Mercedes)
2017 - Sebastian Vettel (Scuderia Ferrari)
2018 - Lewis Hamilton (Mercedes)
2019 - Lewis Hamilton (Mercedes)
2020 - Lewis Hamilton (Mercedes)

2021 -Covid won.


TYRES


The drivers will be allocated two sets of C2 hards, three sets of C3 mediums and eight sets of C4 soft tyres in this weekend's race in Hungary – the same nomination of compounds as it was last year – with high temperatures likely to be a factor on this high-downforce circuit.

“Tyre-wise, we’re not expecting any particularly big surprises from the Hungaroring, which has been a constant on the calendar and signals the end of the first half of the season,” said Pirelli's Head of F1 and Car Racing Mario Isola.

“The defining characteristic of the track are all the tight corners in quick succession, with no long straights to cool down the tyres, and hot weather. This makes the Hungaroring actually more demanding on tyres than it initially seems, so some degree of management is likely to be needed on the soft compound in particular.

“As a result, the best strategy is not always obvious – with different approaches often yielding a similar overall race time, depending on the individual circumstances. That’s why we’ve often seen some tactically intriguing races at the Hungaroring, keeping the final result in doubt right up to the end and providing an interesting challenge for the engineers.”

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Pirelli's infographic for the Hungarian Grand Prix.
Minimum starting pressures: 19.0 psi (front) | 18.0 psi (rear); EOS Camber Limit: -3.75° (front) | -2.00 ° (rear)


Weather

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Not sure it will be like the piccie but.....

First off a bit of weather history here.....In fact 2006 2011 and 2014 are the only times we have ever seen a wet race at the track.....


The drivers will be greeted by scorching temperatures at the Hungaroring, yet, there's a continuous risk of rain over the weekend that comes to a crescendo on Sunday, with a 60% chance of rain for the Hungarian Grand Prix itself, which could spice things up even further.
The hourly forecast below suggests it wont be rain at race time and will be 38C, so tyres could struggle not to mention drivers themselves. Certainly all three days are forecast to be 30C++

Find the full forecast below.

https://www.myweather2.com/Motor-Racing ... rcuit.aspx
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That is a very long post. Are you an unfulfilled writer?
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Ruslan wrote: 2 years ago That is a very long post. Are you an unfulfilled writer?
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Awesome race write up, wow!! :bow: :thumbsup: :happy:
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Everso Biggyballies wrote: 2 years ago
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This used to be great Ferrari territory with the warm temps and their brakes etc. If it stays dry they may get something out of it since we have seen the car is rather stable and they don’t need to worry excessively about the engine power. Maybe they can throw in a surprise.
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Picci wrote: 2 years ago This used to be great Ferrari territory with the warm temps and their brakes etc. If it stays dry they may get something out of it since we have seen the car is rather stable and they don’t need to worry excessively about the engine power. Maybe they can throw in a surprise.
Also this year they have shown strength on slower type circuits.... remember Leclerc put the Ferrari on pole at Monaco, unfortunately for him not able to start. He also went well as Azerbaijan which is heavy on slow speed corners.

Leclerc is optimistic the Ferrari's recent form will be prevalent again this weekend.
“I feel like it can be a strong race for us,” Leclerc said.

“I don’t think we’ll be at the level of performance as we’ve seen in Monaco, but I hope we can at least be on top of the midfield, which is really the fight we are fighting this year.

“This is the most important target for this weekend and I think we are quite confident that we can achieve that.”

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XcraigX wrote: 2 years ago @Everso Biggyballies Tips and tipping? In the USA that's the extra bit of money we give to a server/waiter for good service.
Yeah same here re the service charge, but also tipping here is a term used for betting, especially on horses. If someone is suggesting a runner to back they are giving you a tip. That is extended to any act of putting your tips in is putting your bets in. Here we often have tipping contests which is what GTP would classify as, not so much a competition to see who leaves the waiter the largest tip. You are just tipping who will set / what will be the quickest time. A bit like Tom'8'toes tomatoes..... :wink:

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p1 is nearly over .... I was too busy watching Classic Silverstone (Historics meeting) to worry about F1, but tuned in just to see Tsunoda back it into the wall at T4 for a red flag. Not a wheelbarrow job though and damage looked slight.
Max is using his engine from the Silverstone smash so all of Horner's crap about Lewis destroying the car and engine blah blah blah, was just that.... engine must be fine as with 3 to go he is fastest. Not by much but ahead of Bottas and Lewis with sainz next so it looks like Ferrari are up there as we thought might be the case. Leclerc is 7th to back that up

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Verstappen finishes in P1 with a 1m 17.555s, 0.061s ahead of Bottas. Hamilton is a further tenth back down the road. All of them were set on softs although we dont know fuel and engine mode etc. All quite close though. Sergio had his usual slow start down in 8th.
Not sure what happened to the Alfas, as Gio was last /slowest and Kubica is the other one not much faster. Gio only used one set of tyres so resume he had an issue.

Both Alpines were in the to 11, Alonso the faster in 6th, and both Alpha Tauris in the to 12 despite Yuki not finishing the session. Astons 10th and 13th with Stroll quicker, and the fastest Macca was Lando in 9th albeit a second off the ace, Danny a further 0.7 back.

The behind the scenes talk on Sky is blah blah blah about 'the crash' and the review. Hey guys, its over, its done, its history and no one that matters cares any more .


DRIVER GAP TYRES USED
1 Max VERSTAPPEN1:17.555 5
2 Valtteri BOTTAS+0.061 6
3 Lewis HAMILTON+0.167 7
4 Carlos SAINZ+0.560 7
5 Pierre GASLY+0.626 4
6 Fernando ALONSO+0.830 3
7 Charles LECLERC+0.836 5
8 Sergio PEREZ+0.911 4
9 Lando NORRIS+1.094 3
10 Lance STROLL+1.200 4
11 Esteban OCON+1.210 4
12 Yuki TSUNODA+1.215 2
13 Sebastian VETTEL+1.434 5
14 Daniel RICCIARDO+1.710 5
15 George RUSSELL+2.169 7
16 Nicholas LATIFI+2.269 5
17 Mick SCHUMACHER+2.828 3
18 Robert KUBICA+3.084 4
19 Nikita MAZEPIN+3.437 3
20 Antonio GIOVINAZZI+4.334 1

Oh yeah, no rain and temps in the early 30's but warmer is promised later.


Ooooh just noticed they (our broadcaster) are playing the 1986 (first modern) Hungarian race in the break between sessions so that will be something to watch between the Silverstone classic. If you want to watch the Classic then stream details are on the forum index page or in the you tube video thread (or the F1 streaming thread. :blush: ).

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p2 underway.

Track temps a mighty 62C! yes 62C no typo.

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Tsunoda must have caused more damage than I thought with his earlier session crash as he has not been out yet and only 8 minutes left in p2.
Merc at the top of the times 1&2 from Max Ocon and Sergio.

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Right now teams are doing long runs so not expecting times to tumble now.

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Looks like Tsunoda might just get an installation lap done to make sure everything is working. He is in the car albeit in the garage. 2 minutes left.

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