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Ruslan wrote: 2 years ago
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P. Cornelius Scipio wrote: 2 years ago Other than that I don't see what Verstappen could have done to avoid it other that drive off the track on purpose at 300kmph.
You don't think he could have taken the corner a foot or two further to the left or braked earlier when he saw that Lewis was almost beside him?
Why should he?
Because there was a car in that space.

I mean the not very precise rules of "right of way" in racing don't outweigh the laws of physics. In the end, I suspect Verstappen had to surrender that corner, which as we all know, he did not do.
Look at the overlay of Charles and Max's lines. Max didn't have to surrender.
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Really good analysis by Chainbear. Video at the clicky link.
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XcraigX wrote: 2 years ago Really good analysis by Chainbear. Video at the clicky link.
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This camera angle really shows how violent a 51G crash is.
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XcraigX wrote: 2 years ago Really good analysis by Chainbear. Video at the clicky link.
Yea, I saw that one. I thought about posting it.
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John wrote: 2 years ago

This camera angle really shows how violent a 51G crash is.
This is actually a real good video. It does drive home just how violent his hit as. I have been asking people if a 51G crash pretty much guarantees a concussion. I have not gotten a clear answer yet (haven't asked the right people).
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DoubleFart wrote: 2 years ago
Ruslan wrote: 2 years ago
DoubleFart wrote: 2 years ago
Ruslan wrote: 2 years ago
P. Cornelius Scipio wrote: 2 years ago Other than that I don't see what Verstappen could have done to avoid it other that drive off the track on purpose at 300kmph.
You don't think he could have taken the corner a foot or two further to the left or braked earlier when he saw that Lewis was almost beside him?
Why should he?
Because there was a car in that space.

I mean the not very precise rules of "right of way" in racing don't outweigh the laws of physics. In the end, I suspect Verstappen had to surrender that corner, which as we all know, he did not do.
Look at the overlay of Charles and Max's lines. Max didn't have to surrender.
He kind of did, maybe not "de jure" but "de facto."
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Ruslan wrote: 2 years ago
John wrote: 2 years ago

This camera angle really shows how violent a 51G crash is.
This is actually a real good video. It does drive home just how violent his hit as. I have been asking people if a 51G crash pretty much guarantees a concussion. I have not gotten a clear answer yet (haven't asked the right people).
Most likely, yes. You can get a concussion from a lot of things, including light whiplash. I would be very surprised if Max wasn't concussed in that incident even though the tyre barriers absorbed some of the impact. See Felix Rosenqvists impact at Detroit a few weeks back.
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John wrote: 2 years ago Most likely, yes. You can get a concussion from a lot of things, including light whiplash. I would be very surprised if Max wasn't concussed in that incident even though the tyre barriers absorbed some of the impact. See Felix Rosenqvists impact at Detroit a few weeks back.
Makes me wonder if he should sit out the next race, especially with the three week break coming up. I am sure he won't, as I can't recall an F1 driver ever sitting out a race for concussion, but the protocols have gotten pretty strict for some sports (like hockey).
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Ruslan wrote: 2 years ago
John wrote: 2 years ago Most likely, yes. You can get a concussion from a lot of things, including light whiplash. I would be very surprised if Max wasn't concussed in that incident even though the tyre barriers absorbed some of the impact. See Felix Rosenqvists impact at Detroit a few weeks back.
Makes me wonder if he should sit out the next race, especially with the three week break coming up. I am sure he won't, as I can't recall an F1 driver ever sitting out a race for concussion, but the protocols have gotten pretty strict for some sports (like hockey).
Yes, I work within the ice hockey world myself and if Max was a hockey player right now he would be on a concussion recovery programme for the next two weeks. That said I've no clue if Max actually has a concussion, as likely as it may be, or if he has concussion like symptoms. But I would hope that F1 has a medical protocol for these events.
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Ruslan wrote: 2 years ago
John wrote: 2 years ago Most likely, yes. You can get a concussion from a lot of things, including light whiplash. I would be very surprised if Max wasn't concussed in that incident even though the tyre barriers absorbed some of the impact. See Felix Rosenqvists impact at Detroit a few weeks back.
Makes me wonder if he should sit out the next race, especially with the three week break coming up. I am sure he won't, as I can't recall an F1 driver ever sitting out a race for concussion, but the protocols have gotten pretty strict for some sports (like hockey).
Sergio Perez, Canada 2012 springs to mind. He had severe concussion in his Monaco crash, and was still symptomatic at the next race.

Concussion protocols didn't exist then.
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John wrote: 2 years ago
This camera angle really shows how violent a 51G crash is.
Ouch!

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Ruslan wrote: 2 years ago
John wrote: 2 years ago Most likely, yes. You can get a concussion from a lot of things, including light whiplash. I would be very surprised if Max wasn't concussed in that incident even though the tyre barriers absorbed some of the impact. See Felix Rosenqvists impact at Detroit a few weeks back.
Makes me wonder if he should sit out the next race, especially with the three week break coming up. I am sure he won't, as I can't recall an F1 driver ever sitting out a race for concussion, but the protocols have gotten pretty strict for some sports (like hockey).
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Ruslan wrote: 2 years ago
DoubleFart wrote: 2 years ago
Ruslan wrote: 2 years ago
P. Cornelius Scipio wrote: 2 years ago Other than that I don't see what Verstappen could have done to avoid it other that drive off the track on purpose at 300kmph.
You don't think he could have taken the corner a foot or two further to the left or braked earlier when he saw that Lewis was almost beside him?
Why should he?
Because there was a car in that space.

I mean the not very precise rules of "right of way" in racing don't outweigh the laws of physics. In the end, I suspect Verstappen had to surrender that corner, which as we all know, he did not do.
no you're right but the problem is that it's not so easy to judge where the car chasing you is and especially to judge where it's going to be when you start to turn in. IMHO Max couldn't have known that Hamilton was going to miss the apex, that's the real problem. IMHO the accident became unavoidable when Hamilton failed to back off as soon as he realised that he wasn't going to make it.
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Ruslan wrote: 2 years ago
John wrote: 2 years ago Most likely, yes. You can get a concussion from a lot of things, including light whiplash. I would be very surprised if Max wasn't concussed in that incident even though the tyre barriers absorbed some of the impact. See Felix Rosenqvists impact at Detroit a few weeks back.
Makes me wonder if he should sit out the next race, especially with the three week break coming up. I am sure he won't, as I can't recall an F1 driver ever sitting out a race for concussion, but the protocols have gotten pretty strict for some sports (like hockey).

FYI Fernando Alonso did not take part in the opening race of the 2015 season in Adelaide after a concussion testing pre-season. KMag took his place.

Interesting article about that episode... (Fernando suffered 'retrograde amnesia', and went back to thinking he was 13 years old!)
https://www.businessinsider.com.au/fern ... ash-2015-3

Not F1 but Will Power also missed an Indycar race with concussion
Another interesting article: https://www.si.com/racing/2016/03/18/in ... policy-cte

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