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Bahrain 2. Were those others really that good?DoubleFart wrote: ↑2 years agoWhich one was that? Russia? Turkey? Nurburging? Bahrain 1, Bahrain 2?
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Bahrain 2. Were those others really that good?DoubleFart wrote: ↑2 years agoWhich one was that? Russia? Turkey? Nurburging? Bahrain 1, Bahrain 2?
Can say he's the best of his generation though for the last 15 years. (Yes, yes, he hasn't had any other drivers to compare at Merc except Nico and Bottas, and neither are great. But all champions are enabled by their cars.)DoubleFart wrote: ↑2 years ago Again, doesn't make Lewis the greatest ever. Just means he's better than Bottas, which we've known and seen since 2017.
I don't believe he is though. I firmly believe that had Alonso been in the McLaren from 2008 and 2010-2012 then he may have won 1 or 2 titles, and I also believe that Alonso would have won EVERY title in the Merc if he'd been up against Rosberg and Bottas.MonteCristo wrote: ↑2 years agoCan say he's the best of his generation though for the last 15 years. (Yes, yes, he hasn't had any other drivers to compare at Merc except Nico and Bottas, and neither are great. But all champions are enabled by their cars.)DoubleFart wrote: ↑2 years ago Again, doesn't make Lewis the greatest ever. Just means he's better than Bottas, which we've known and seen since 2017.
He had a small overlap with Chin Snr at the twilight of his career. But regardless of how good or bad Michael was at the time, he didn't have the car to compare them.
The only lasting comparison, really, is against Vettel. And he's basically trashed his reputation more and more ever since Ricciardo arrived on the scene.
A bit depressing that Bottas has been a whipping boy for five years now though. Sigh.
If it wasn't for Alonso and Hamilton going head-to-head and him alllllmost losing to a rookie, I'd agree.DoubleFart wrote: ↑2 years agoI don't believe he is though. I firmly believe that had Alonso been in the McLaren from 2008 and 2010-2012 then he may have won 1 or 2 titles, and I also believe that Alonso would have won EVERY title in the Merc if he'd been up against Rosberg and Bottas.MonteCristo wrote: ↑2 years agoCan say he's the best of his generation though for the last 15 years. (Yes, yes, he hasn't had any other drivers to compare at Merc except Nico and Bottas, and neither are great. But all champions are enabled by their cars.)DoubleFart wrote: ↑2 years ago Again, doesn't make Lewis the greatest ever. Just means he's better than Bottas, which we've known and seen since 2017.
He had a small overlap with Chin Snr at the twilight of his career. But regardless of how good or bad Michael was at the time, he didn't have the car to compare them.
The only lasting comparison, really, is against Vettel. And he's basically trashed his reputation more and more ever since Ricciardo arrived on the scene.
A bit depressing that Bottas has been a whipping boy for five years now though. Sigh.
I'm not even an Alonso fan, but the point is out there - Alonso almost won titles in average cars, and could definitely have won in a better car.
Not since... "Rain due in 10 minutes" .
That was fantastical too.DoubleFart wrote: ↑2 years ago What about when Ferrari turned up and were half a second quicker in 2018 or 2019, and found themselves almost a second off at Melbourne?
Yes, but is that because the Mercedes is 0.3 seconds faster and Hamilton is 0.2 seconds faster than Verstappen; or is it that the Mercedes is 0.7 seconds faster and Verstappen is 0.2 seconds faster than Hamilton?DoubleFart wrote: ↑2 years ago It's 0.5-1s a lap faster, and I will not accept anybody saying he's having to work hard for victories other than round 1.
Or is it as Mercedes believe, that Red Bull’s deficit in races is down to it suffering higher rear tyre degradation, a factor that may not be as important at all Formula 1 tracks as it has recently.Ruslan wrote: ↑2 years agoYes, but is that because the Mercedes is 0.3 seconds faster and Hamilton is 0.2 seconds faster than Verstappen; or is it that the Mercedes is 0.7 seconds faster and Verstappen is 0.2 seconds faster than Hamilton?DoubleFart wrote: ↑2 years ago It's 0.5-1s a lap faster, and I will not accept anybody saying he's having to work hard for victories other than round 1.
What seems undeniable though, is that Red Bull are a lot closer this year than last.“We are still not really at a stage where we go in thinking we’ve got a better race car or we are better at looking after the tyres,” he explained.
“It is actually quite hard to say what it was [in the Spanish GP]. We were able to sit behind them and, when you are the lead car and someone can sit on your gearbox for a whole stint, it is not normally good news.
“But we are still in the stage of the year where we are collecting data across the different tracks. But it does look to be a bit of a trend that maybe we have got a slightly more neutral car.
“Theirs seems to be a bit harder on the rear tyres over a stint whereas we are using both axles quite well. But we will see with some more data whether that is really a feature of the car or just how we are setting it up.”
I gotta say, while I'd put my money on Mercedes before Red Bull, I certainly wouldn't say that it's pretty much over. Especially as Sergio may still be settling in with his new team.Everso Biggyballies wrote: ↑2 years ago Horner is saying that Perez needs to get himself more in the mix to stop giving Mercedes / Lewis options with strategy as they did last weekend.
If you look at the constructors points it is getting to be pretty much over. Ironically already Lewis has double Bottas points. Max more than double Perez.
1. Lewis HAMILTON 94
2. Max VERSTAPPEN 80
3. Valtteri BOTTAS 47
4. Lando NORRIS 41
5. Charles LECLERC 40
6. Sergio PEREZ 32