F1 2021 Round 2: Emilia Romagna GP, Imola

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Cheeveer wrote: 2 years ago Kimi got a 30 second penalty, looses his points. That means Alonso gets 1 point.
Where is the consistency in thatStroll gets 5 seconds, Perez gets 10 and Kimi gets 30.

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Everso Biggyballies wrote: 2 years ago Some podium trivia.

With Lando Norris third for McLaren behind fellow Brit Hamilton today, it makes 700 podium finishes for British drivers in F1 since the World Championship started in1950. (Reg Parnell was the first British podium getter with a 3rd place at the 1950 British GP driving his works Alfa 158.

It was also the first race with 2 British drivers on the podium since China 2012 when Hamilton and Jenson Button were both on the podium..

I think the first time we ever had more than one British driver on the podium was the British GP 1957 at Aintree. However that day there were three Brits on the podium..... Moss, Brooks and Hawthorn. (Moss and Brooks shared the winning car and were both credited with the win, Hawthorn came 3rd.) Incidentally that day was also the first race win for a British car, the Vanwall.

Edit: I got that one wrong.... the first time we had more than one Brit on the podium was actually Italy in 1956, when we again had 3 Brits on the podium. Moss won the race, Peter Collins came 2nd (sharing the car with Fangio) and Ron Flockhart came 3rd.
Thank you! I was wondering, who was the last British pairing on the podium before Hamilton/Button? Could it be Coulthard and Irvine?
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Bottas blames Russell as stewards opt to take no action

Valtteri Bottas refuted George Russell’s comments and blamed the Williams driver for their heavy crash in the Emilia Romagna Grand Prix, while the stewards chose to take no further action over the incident.

Russell accused Bottas of an “incredibly dangerous” defensive move, claiming the Finn jolted slightly to the right as the Williams was overtaking to the left, causing Russell to lose control. Russell also suggesting that Bottas would not have done such a move against another driver — referencing links between Russell and a future Mercedes seat — but Bottas heaped scorn on that claim.

“Erm… Sorry, I lost my aluminum foil hat somewhere,” Bottas said. “It’s quite a theory…

“I’m always going to defend to any driver — I’m not keen to lose any positions. That was normal defending. It could have been a lot more aggressive if needed. I don’t agree with any of that at all. I was doing my thing. No matter who I would have been defending, it it would have been exactly the same.

“Obviously he knew exactly that it was going to be damp there, because we have gone there lap after lap. I knew as well, and it was just not a place to go in those conditions on slicks. But he still went there. It was his choice to go there; I was doing my job trying to defend, and I’m not going to move away and give him the dry patch back. That’s how it goes.”

Both Bottas and Russell had to go to the stewards after the race, but no further action was taken with the stewards calling it a racing incident and stating that Bottas maintained his line and “at no time did either car maneuver erratically.” While Russell angrily approached the Mercedes cockpit after the collision, Bottas says he was unaware what he was being accused of at the time.

“I couldn’t hear what he was saying. Obviously I had my helmet on, and not sure (if) the engine was running. I couldn’t hear a thing. So that’s that.

“From my side, it was quite straightforward: I was obviously defending my position. I think he had stopped two laps earlier, so he got his tires warm already, and I was struggling with the warm-up. I knew in that place it’s quite tricky to overtake, so obviously try to make sure that I don’t make space for him, but also sure that I leave at least one car’s width of space by the regulations.

“He went for it and obviously lost it and hit me, and it was game over. Yeah, I actually just now spoke with Toto (Wolff, team principal). He said he’s going to probably speak with him at some point as well, but that’s that. We went to the stewards together, and it was just really overall a review of the thing, and they wanted to hear comments from both me and George.”
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Picci wrote: 2 years ago
Everso Biggyballies wrote: 2 years ago Some podium trivia.

With Lando Norris third for McLaren behind fellow Brit Hamilton today, it makes 700 podium finishes for British drivers in F1 since the World Championship started in1950. (Reg Parnell was the first British podium getter with a 3rd place at the 1950 British GP driving his works Alfa 158.

It was also the first race with 2 British drivers on the podium since China 2012 when Hamilton and Jenson Button were both on the podium..

I think the first time we ever had more than one British driver on the podium was the British GP 1957 at Aintree. However that day there were three Brits on the podium..... Moss, Brooks and Hawthorn. (Moss and Brooks shared the winning car and were both credited with the win, Hawthorn came 3rd.) Incidentally that day was also the first race win for a British car, the Vanwall.

Edit: I got that one wrong.... the first time we had more than one Brit on the podium was actually Italy in 1956, when we again had 3 Brits on the podium. Moss won the race, Peter Collins came 2nd (sharing the car with Fangio) and Ron Flockhart came 3rd.
Thank you! I was wondering, who was the last British pairing on the podium before Hamilton/Button? Could it be Coulthard and Irvine?
Irvine and Coulthard came 1st and 2nd at Austria 1n 1999. (I thought it might have been Coulthard and Button in 2004. but didnt happen) Irvine and Coulthard shared a podium a few times prior to that.
The next pairing back was Hill and Irvine at Australia in 1996, Coulthard and Herbert, Monaco 1996, 1995 Coulthard and Hill shared 4 podiums etc.

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erwin greven wrote: 2 years ago
Bottas blames Russell as stewards opt to take no action
And Toto Wolff basically gave Russell a bollocking for his part, not blaming George 100% and admitting both drivers were at fault, but saying George has an awful lot to learn, plus was not happy that George had even tried the move as a Mercedes contracted driver against a works Mercedes car and driver. Basically telling George not to shit on his own doorstep.
Toto wrote:“The whole situation should have never happened,” Wolff said. “Valtteri had a bad first 30 laps, and shouldn’t have been there. But George should have never launched into this manoeuvre, considering that the track was drying up.

“It meant taking risks, and the other car is a Mercedes in front of him. In any driver’s development, for a young driver, you must never lose this global perspective.

“So yeah, lots to learn for him I guess.”

“The whole situation is absolutely not amusing for us, to be honest,”

“It’s quite a big shunt. Our car is almost a write-off in a cost-cap environment that is certainly not what we needed, and probably it’s going to limit upgrades that we’re able to do."

“Simply the fact that we ended there by losing it in the wet, because there was no contact, losing it on the wet, and making both cars crash out is not what I expect to see.”

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Weird Kimi penalty. No idea what happened really so can't comment

The botruss crash looks worse for Russell the more I see it . Couldn't really see any move at all from botty. The only defence I would add for Russ is that drs created a ridiculous speed differential at a dangerous part of the track

May take a while for Wolff to see it that way
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White six wrote: 2 years ago
Vassago wrote: 2 years ago As the resident Russell critic I can't say I'm either shocked or bothered by his epic fail today ;)
If I was Wolff I'd think I was backing the wrong British youngster after today
Yup, Wolff joking about putting Russell in Renault Clio sounded a bit awkward. Russell can't really afford blowing all these chances - it looks like the Mercedes dominance is stymied and they don't need a seemingly faster but more crash-prone version of Bottas.
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Mawerick wrote: 2 years ago What annoys me about Hamilton the most is that even when he is unlucky, he's still lucky. In this race he damaged his front wing, went off the track and damaged it even further needing it changed, was a lap down and yet he's back up to 5th. Lucky bastard.
Yeah, it's almost unbelievable. Leclerc deserved the podium unlike Lewis in my opinion
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Norris definitely looks like the one who might get in the way of about ten titles for max

Charlie too tbf
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White six wrote: 2 years ago Norris definitely looks like the one who might get in the way of about ten titles for max

Charlie too tbf
Russell too. Last year in Bahrain was very fast driving the Mercedes car and proved that Bottas isn't a top driver
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So the official results with various penalties applied.

Cla Driver Chassis Engine Time Gap
1 Max Verstappen Red Bull Honda 2:02'34.598
2 Lewis Hamilton Mercedes Mercedes 2:02'56.598 22.000
3 Lando Norris McLaren Mercedes 2:02'58.300 23.702
4 Charles Leclerc Ferrari Ferrari 2:03'00.177 25.579
5 Carlos Sainz Jr. Ferrari Ferrari 2:03'01.634 27.036
6 Daniel Ricciardo McLaren Mercedes 2:03'25.818 51.220
7 Pierre Gasly AlphaTauri Honda 2:03'27.416 52.818
8 Lance Stroll Aston Martin Mercedes 2:03'31.507 56.909
9 Esteban Ocon Alpine Renault 2:03'40.302 1'05.704
10 Fernando Alonso Alpine Renault 2:03'41.159 1'06.561
11 Sergio Perez Red Bull Honda 2:03'41.749 1'07.151
12 Yuki Tsunoda AlphaTauri Honda 2:03'47.782 1'13.184
13 Kimi Raikkonen Alfa Romeo Ferrari 2:04'09.371 1'34.773
14 Antonio Giovinazzi Alfa Romeo Ferrari 2:02'46.823 1 Lap
15 Sebastian Vettel Aston Martin Mercedes 2:01'19.044 2 Laps
16 Mick Schumacher Haas Ferrari 2:02'36.636 2 Laps
17 Federation Nikita Mazepin Haas Ferrari 2:03'44.864 2 Laps
Valtteri Bottas Mercedes Mercedes 50'58.945 33 Laps
George Russell Williams Mercedes 50'59.447 33 Laps
Nicholas Latifi Williams Mercedes


Drivers Championship
Driver Points
1. Lewis HAMILTON 44
2. Max VERSTAPPEN 43
3. Lando NORRIS 27
4. Charles LECLERC 20
5. Valtteri BOTTAS 16
6=. Carlos SAINZ 14
6= Daniel RICCIARDO 14
8. Sergio PEREZ 10
9. Pierre GASLY 6
10. Lance STROLL 5
11= Yuki TSUNODA 2
11=. Esteban OCON 2
13. Fernando ALONSO 1

Constructors Championship.

Constructor Points
1. Mercedes 60
2. Red Bull Honda 53
3. McLaren Mercedes 41
4. Ferrari 34
5. AlphaTauri Honda 8
6. Aston Martin Mercedes 5
7. Alpine Renault

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I lost the will to live reading about the reasons for kimi's penalty. Surely though 30 seconds should be reserved for dangerous stuff?

Vettel penalty also very harsh for rather arcane rules
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Everso Biggyballies wrote: 2 years ago So the official results with various penalties applied.

Cla Driver Chassis Engine Time Gap
1 Max Verstappen Red Bull Honda 2:02'34.598
2 Lewis Hamilton Mercedes Mercedes 2:02'56.598 22.000
3 Lando Norris McLaren Mercedes 2:02'58.300 23.702
4 Charles Leclerc Ferrari Ferrari 2:03'00.177 25.579
5 Carlos Sainz Jr. Ferrari Ferrari 2:03'01.634 27.036
6 Daniel Ricciardo McLaren Mercedes 2:03'25.818 51.220
7 Pierre Gasly AlphaTauri Honda 2:03'27.416 52.818
8 Lance Stroll Aston Martin Mercedes 2:03'31.507 56.909
9 Esteban Ocon Alpine Renault 2:03'40.302 1'05.704
10 Fernando Alonso Alpine Renault 2:03'41.159 1'06.561
11 Sergio Perez Red Bull Honda 2:03'41.749 1'07.151
12 Yuki Tsunoda AlphaTauri Honda 2:03'47.782 1'13.184
13 Kimi Raikkonen Alfa Romeo Ferrari 2:04'09.371 1'34.773
14 Antonio Giovinazzi Alfa Romeo Ferrari 2:02'46.823 1 Lap
15 Sebastian Vettel Aston Martin Mercedes 2:01'19.044 2 Laps
16 Mick Schumacher Haas Ferrari 2:02'36.636 2 Laps
17 Federation Nikita Mazepin Haas Ferrari 2:03'44.864 2 Laps
Valtteri Bottas Mercedes Mercedes 50'58.945 33 Laps
George Russell Williams Mercedes 50'59.447 33 Laps
Nicholas Latifi Williams Mercedes


Drivers Championship
Driver Points
1. Lewis HAMILTON 44
2. Max VERSTAPPEN 43
3. Lando NORRIS 27
4. Charles LECLERC 20
5. Valtteri BOTTAS 16
6=. Carlos SAINZ 14
6= Daniel RICCIARDO 14
8. Sergio PEREZ 10
9. Pierre GASLY 6
10. Lance STROLL 5
11= Yuki TSUNODA 2
11=. Esteban OCON 2
13. Fernando ALONSO 1

Constructors Championship.

Constructor Points
1. Mercedes 60
2. Red Bull Honda 53
3. McLaren Mercedes 41
4. Ferrari 34
5. AlphaTauri Honda 8
6. Aston Martin Mercedes 5
7. Alpine Renault
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Everso Biggyballies wrote: 2 years ago not happy that George had even tried the move as a Mercedes contracted driver against a works Mercedes car and driver. Basically telling George not to shit on his own doorstep.
Yeah, fair enough, Toto...

But what the actual fuck is Bottas doing racing a Williams for position - no, being passed by a Williams for position?

So Toto has got bigger problems to deal with.

Also, as much as Hamilton is #blessed, and I think it's madness to say otherwise, at least he was able to charge through the field again to get second and wasn't stuck - no, scratch that - going backwards in the midfield.
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Simply too many unnecessary penalties after that one.

The Lance Stroll one was deserved though. He outbraked himself during an overtake, cut the corner by going across the gravel and then never gave the place back.
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Everso Biggyballies wrote: 2 years ago
Cheeveer wrote: 2 years ago Kimi got a 30 second penalty, looses his points. That means Alonso gets 1 point.
Where is the consistency in thatStroll gets 5 seconds, Perez gets 10 and Kimi gets 30.
Stroll was an off track pass, so the punishment was purely to switch the positions back (as would have been ordered in the race)
Perez got 10 seconds as that's the agreed punishment, it was just convenient it happened during a scheduled pitstop.
Kimi couldn't do it as part of a pitstop, so he got 10 seconds + pitstop time.

Makes sense to me.
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