Poor Mazepin, even before taking part in his first GP the fans gave him a bad very reputation.
.... or was the bad reputation he has (both in and out of the car) self inflicted, leading to fans not particularly liking him. They do not pick on him just because he is the son of a billionaire. His pre season behaviour and more recently his showing a low level of ability (ie a number of spins and a sizeable crash all in the space of one 3 day event) coupled to his overall demeanour have sparked a fan dislike trend.
My opinion.
Poor Mazepin, even before taking part in his first GP the fans gave him a bad very reputation.
.... or was the bad reputation (both in and out of the car) self inflicted, leading to fans not particularly liking him. They do not pick on him just because he is the son of a billionaire. His behaviour and level of ability coupled to his demeanour have sparked a fan dislike trend.
My opinion.
I agree. But I feel sad for him
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jimclark wrote: ↑3 years ago
And he proved them to be correct, didn't he?
The fans and the media are correct but I have to say that it was his first GP, Schumacher spun too. Maybe Haas has something wrong in the car balance,
I am sure there is something below par with the Haas car, but it seems that with both their rookie drivers suffered an inexperience with F1 power curves and cold tyres issues that led to both their race mishaps.
(The other 4 incidents that befell Mazepin over the weekend perhaps more of the same)
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jimclark wrote: ↑3 years ago
And he proved them to be correct, didn't he?
The fans and the media are correct but I have to say that it was his first GP, Schumacher spun too. Maybe Haas has something wrong in the car balance,
I am sure there is something below par with the Haas car, but it seems that with both their rookie drivers suffered an inexperience with F1 power curves and cold tyres issues that led to both their race mishaps.
Below par? There is no speed the cars can corner? I guess they should not be on the track. I know you don't believe that.
Inexperience? How'd they get the Super License?
Alas, one should use the gray between the ears, and drive accordingly.
Your first F1 race you should at least be trying to impress by finishing the dang thing.....
Those were the days my friends, we thought they'd never end.....
In their defense (Schumacher and Mazepin), they had only two test sessions/get acquainted sessions and three one-hour practice sessions before their first F1 race. So their degree of preparation was less than most F1 rookies. You see the same issue with a number of experienced drivers this season also (Ricciardo, Sainz and Vettel) who were beaten by their teammates. This may be part of the continuing story for early part of this season.
Added to that, with a second warm-up lap the tires were colder than usual and the Haas has not been well developed (doesn't help that they have no experienced F1 drivers on the team). So, it is not that surprising. I will withhold judgement on these two drivers until they get a couple of more races under their belt.
That said, I am not completely sold on either driver. As far as "sympathy" for Mazepin, well that can be found in the dictionary between "shit" and "syphilis." Both drivers are in F1 for reasons above and beyond their driving abilities.
Ruslan wrote: ↑3 years ago
Both drivers are in F1 for reasons above and beyond their driving abilities.
Should we then interpret your assertion as unequivocal rejection of F2 as a proper yardstick of driver's potential how he will perform in F1? Are you then suggesting Mick Schumacher didn't deserve to advance into F1? On what basis? He has won F2. Not enough?
One thing however you can depend on, Mick's career will go nowhere, if he gets stuck with Haas beyond one year. Mick can also forget about Ferrari. They are full for next several years. He has to do his best with that toaster he is driving now, and hopefully move on ASAP.
Ruslan wrote: ↑3 years ago
Both drivers are in F1 for reasons above and beyond their driving abilities.
Should we then interpret your assertion as unequivocal rejection of F2 as a proper yardstick of driver's potential how he will perform in F1? Are you then suggesting Mick Schumacher didn't deserve to advance into F1? On what basis? He has won F2. Not enough?
One thing however you can depend on, Mick's career will go nowhere, if he gets stuck with Haas beyond one year. Mick can also forget about Ferrari. They are full for next several years. He has to do his best with that toaster he is driving now, and hopefully move on ASAP.
Over the years, a significant number of F2, GP2 and GP3000 championship winners have never gotten to F1. So someone coming from F2 to F1 does not necessarily carry that much weight. Often the really talented drivers are pulled up into F1 before they ever get to F2. It all depends.
The fact that Mick Schumacher, with the advantage of his name, marketing value, and an F2 championship, only got to Haas is in itself a big red flag to me. I assume he has a multi-year contract with Haas.
Thank you for explaining your position on value of lower series, however I am not so certain that you have explained why you are rating Mick Schumacher as low as you do. Are you sure that it is his skills we are discussing, and nothing else? I should end here my part with "let Mick prove you wrong", but unfortunately where he is today, that would be too much to ask of him.
Ruslan wrote: ↑3 years ago
Both drivers are in F1 for reasons above and beyond their driving abilities.
Should we then interpret your assertion as unequivocal rejection of F2 as a proper yardstick of driver's potential how he will perform in F1? Are you then suggesting Mick Schumacher didn't deserve to advance into F1? On what basis? He has won F2. Not enough?
One thing however you can depend on, Mick's career will go nowhere, if he gets stuck with Haas beyond one year. Mick can also forget about Ferrari. They are full for next several years. He has to do his best with that toaster he is driving now, and hopefully move on ASAP.
Over the years, a significant number of F2, GP2 and GP3000 championship winners have never gotten to F1. So someone coming from F2 to F1 does not necessarily carry that much weight. Often the really talented drivers are pulled up into F1 before they ever get to F2. It all depends.
The fact that Mick Schumacher, with the advantage of his name, marketing value, and an F2 championship, only got to Haas is in itself a big red flag to me. I assume he has a multi-year contract with Haas.
Young Schumacher did well in karting (2nd in the world championship), did well in F4 (2nd ADAC and Italy), won F3 and won F2, I think that he deserves to be in F1. He probably hasn't the same level of talent as his father but IMHO he has done much better than many others who landed a drive in F1. If you compare what Mick achieved in the junior formulae he did significantly better than, say, Tsunoda but after last Sunday we are all full of praise for Tsunoda and laughing at Mick who spun his car. Is Tsunoda so much better than Mick? at this stage I'd have to say no, he isn't, the main difference being that Mick drives an Haas and has everything to lose and Tsunoda drives an Aplha Tauri and he has all to gain. I would also add that Mick's surname certainly helped him landing a drive in the junior formulae but is his surname an help once he gets inside his car or is it a massive weight upon his shoulders? I'm more inclined to think that it's a massive burden
Having said that Mick's career will probably end in tears if he doesn't find another drive soon
Tsunoda certainly impressed more of us than Mick did in F2 last year. He seemed to have more speed than Mick, but was raw and made mistakes. Mick certainly seemed to be slow and steady.
Tsunoda after all only picked up a 2nd and a 3rd in the opening EIGHT races. No points other than those two finishes.
He still finished the season with more wins than Mick (3v2), with 2 legitimate feature race victories rather than reverse grid fake wins.
it's worth noting the legitimate (F) feature race finishes of Mick, where qualifying and race-craft had more of an impact:
(F) 11, 4, 3, 9, 7, 6, 3, 1, 5, 1, 4, 6
Hardly the mark of a guy who is qualifying strongly, considering it was his second season in F2, and he was dicked in the opening rounds by a rookie, who would likely have beaten him had personal issues and bad luck not affected him.
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Ruslan wrote: ↑3 years ago
The fact that Mick Schumacher, with the advantage of his name, marketing value, and an F2 championship, only got to Haas is in itself a big red flag to me. I assume he has a multi-year contract with Haas.
I believe he is a Ferrari Academy / Junior driver, so his contract would be with Ferrari, albeit no doubt with a sub contract with Haas..... obviously as happened with other Ferrari Academy drivers (ie Leclerc and Gio of the current crop) they got positioned in a Ferrari customer team,Ferrari no doubt dishing out discounts on engines, transmissions and suspension parts, a few engineering staff members thrown in etc. With Haas I believe they also use / have used the Ferrari wind Tunnel and simulator when available. With Alfa this year haviing wanted to retain Kimi, and Gio finally looking half reasonable their only customer team option for Schu was with Haas. I know Ferrari have the right to put a driver of their choice in one of the Alfa seats.....obviously that is Gio, but who knows next year / in the future if Schu turns out to be any good maybe he will end up at Alfa next year at the expense of Gio, or of course if Kimi throws the towel in.. (Just throwing that in as an option, not based on anything I have read)
m sure Schumacher came with personal sponsorship, and as you say the family name that would also be to his credit. Mazespin of course is not aligned to any manufacturer but is purely a traditional style pay driver. He has a Father prepared to 'invest' tens of millions of his petty cash into his sons pastime, as was the case with Stroll and Latifi. Plus I have heard rumour that Mazein Snr. might be a future purchaser of the Haas team.
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I seem to remember that Lance Stroll was a Ferrari academy driver once upon a time. Word is that it's easy to buy a place in the academy, and they're more than willing to accept people despite not being top notch as they evaluate for their GT programme. See Stroll, Alesi and more.
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MonteCristo wrote: ↑2 years agoVettel: Not a fan at all on track. But off track, good guy.
