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So what is that way?
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So what is that way?
Built a cheaper racing car, and forget about restrictions and budgets. Technical specs should formulate framework for a product of certain characteristics, which shall be relatively acceptable to at least 2/3 of teams. Moreover, don't worry much about side research. Creativity should not be chocked to death. There is such thing when ROI finds its limits. A wheel is round and it will stay that way regardless how many MM any team spends on it. That sort of thing.
Follow-up article that just reinforces everything I believe about Helmut Marko. Summation: Alguersuari is still having nightmares about Helmut Marko:Ruslan wrote: ↑2 years ago I don't know if this is a good "Red Bull thread" but it was the first one I found, so.....
Article from Jaime Alguersuari on Red Bull: https://www.grandprix.com/news/former-f ... endly.html
Highlights:
1. Helmut Marko typically yells and screams at drivers, but he actually had a good relationship with him.
2. Christian Horner and Adrian Newey are cold fish.
Oh yea, and he want cars with little grip, less downforce and aspirated engines.
I found those two articles, or at least the comments by Algersuari quite conflicted.Ruslan wrote: ↑1 year agoFollow-up article that just reinforces everything I believe about Helmut Marko. Summation: Alguersuari is still having nightmares about Helmut Marko:Ruslan wrote: ↑2 years ago I don't know if this is a good "Red Bull thread" but it was the first one I found, so.....
Article from Jaime Alguersuari on Red Bull: https://www.grandprix.com/news/former-f ... endly.html
Highlights:
1. Helmut Marko typically yells and screams at drivers, but he actually had a good relationship with him.
2. Christian Horner and Adrian Newey are cold fish.
Oh yea, and he want cars with little grip, less downforce and aspirated engines.
https://www.grandprix.com/news/axed-red ... mares.html
Twelve months later he is talking differently ...."I tried to explain things calmly but if a person is like a wall, the sound just comes back at you."
However, Alguersuari said he actually had a good relationship with Marko, and is "grateful" both to him and Red Bull for the opportunity to race in Formula 1.
I understand he had a bad situation at Red Bull, but at the end of the day he only beat Buemi, himself no great example of a driver with a future once. He never finished a race higher than 7th. In the end a combination of events saw his demise.... Webber having his contract extendied and not. leaving Red Bull for 2012 as expected, plus the arrival of. Danny Ric and Vergne. Red Bull / Toro Rosso saw more potential in them. The Red Bull Junior Programme has never been seen as anything other than difficult......he still has nightmares about Dr Helmut Marko.
Jaime Alguersuari was left disillusioned with motor racing altogether after he was dumped by the energy drink company's F1 program.
Buemi in period was who I referred to. His performances post F1 were better than his early F1 performances.DoubleFart wrote: ↑1 year ago I love how you're dismissing Buemi, yet talking up de Vries in the other thread. Buemi has done all Nyck has done and more.
NdV - 8 wins in 67 F2 races, but one of those was his third year, so Iif you only use the first 2, it's 3 wins in 45.
Buemi - 2 in 30 GP2 races, or 3 in 40 if you count GP2 Asia.
Buemi deemed ready for F1 at 20.
de Vries deemed ready for F1 at 27.
Both have a Formula E title.
Buemi has x2 WDC in WEC.
Nyck doesn't even have a class WDC.
Yes, that's what happens when you're not good enough for F1 in your early 20s - you have an extra 6 years to do things.Everso Biggyballies wrote: ↑1 year agoBuemi in period was who I referred to. His performances post F1 were better than his early F1 performances.DoubleFart wrote: ↑1 year ago I love how you're dismissing Buemi, yet talking up de Vries in the other thread. Buemi has done all Nyck has done and more.
NdV - 8 wins in 67 F2 races, but one of those was his third year, so Iif you only use the first 2, it's 3 wins in 45.
Buemi - 2 in 30 GP2 races, or 3 in 40 if you count GP2 Asia.
Buemi deemed ready for F1 at 20.
de Vries deemed ready for F1 at 27.
Both have a Formula E title.
Buemi has x2 WDC in WEC.
Nyck doesn't even have a class WDC.
NdV did all his stuff pre making it.to F1
Like all abusive situations (and I do not have a strong background in psychology) these things evolve. So not surprised he would still be viewing things positively and then change his mind over time. In fact, it seems perfectly natural.Everso Biggyballies wrote: ↑1 year ago I found those two articles, or at least the comments by Algersuari quite conflicted.
In the first article he talks of a good relationship with Marko despite the screaming matches and 'communication difficulties' he mentioned.Twelve months later he is talking differently ...."I tried to explain things calmly but if a person is like a wall, the sound just comes back at you."
However, Alguersuari said he actually had a good relationship with Marko, and is "grateful" both to him and Red Bull for the opportunity to race in Formula 1......he still has nightmares about Dr Helmut Marko.
Not sure I buy that argument. Good management can make people better.At the end of the day any teenager/ early twenties guy in F1 is going to have to face knocks and needs to be emotionally strong. Perhaps stronger than Jaime was.
Well, I do think Red Bull is a toxic environment except for a select few. Suspect you could manage a successful development program without is being so toxic.As mentioned already, the Red Bull Junior programme has been fraught with disappointed Juniors and has led to many casualties of which Jaime is just one. Im sure it (the RB group) is a highly toxic environment unless your name is Max or Sebastian. Maybe the reality of F1 and the expectations post Vettel was just too much for Jaime.
No problems at all.... funnily enough only earlier today it crossed my mind I had not noticed you posting of late
Well, the season is over.Everso Biggyballies wrote: ↑1 year agoNo problems at all.... funnily enough only earlier today it crossed my mind I had not noticed you posting of late