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To get back on the topic of failed F1 projects, back in the kit car days of F1 we had a few..... the first two that spring to mind are Connew and LEC.

I think I may have mentioned LEC but maybe that was in the Drivers who started their own teams thread.

LEC was basically David. Purley, or David's Father more specifically given he was the one with the chequebook. The car was a Mike Pilbeam designed chassis (Pilbeam had worked for BRM and from the 1970's produced a long succession of stunning Hillclimb cars powered by anything from Hart 2.8 litre stretched F2 engines through to DFV and derivative engines. He also produced a number of Sportscar chassis as well)

But back to the LEC it used the standard F1 kit car set up of DFV engine and Hewland gearbox.

The LEC only really ran for a few races in 1977, but following David Purley's horrendous crash at Silverstone, which brought his F1 career to an abrupt halt and led to the LEC project shelved.... it was originally devised for David but with him out of action.....

As for the Connew, Peter Connew was previously a designer with Surtees who decided to do his own thing and manufacture his own car c 1970. The team was pretty much a one man and a couple of mates type of set up and the car took a while to materialise. Again it was a kit car.... monocoque chassis with DFV and Hewland. The Connew PC1 did eventually materialise in 1972, It did have a unique rear suspension and that IIRC was an ongoing problem. A change of F1 regs forced the team to build a revised tub to conform. It was about as low a budget set up as could be imagined, and when Francois Migault came up with sponsorship money he became the driver. It was entered for the British GP in 1972,
and Francois took part in practice but DNS;d after a rear suspension upright was cracked.

They then had their entry refused in Germany before it actually made its only GP start ever, in Austria. It lasted until lap 25 when a rear suspension failure put it off the road and out of the race. That was its last GP.... although David Purley hired the car to run at the none championship Victory Race at the end of the season. However the car failed to run with an electrical problem sidelining it. :suspicious: :whistling:

The car was converted to an F5000 car in 1973 but failed to qualify with a novice driver. Tony Trimmer drove it once in F5000 but again it suffered a rear suspension failure. :banghead:

It then went into storage for over 40 years until it was restored with a view to Historic racing. It appeared at the Race Retro in 2018, and may have been seen at Goodwood one year. (it did as I have a pic of it there

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The Connew, now restored and here shown at the 2018 Race Retro Show.
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Everso Biggyballies wrote: 1 year ago To get back on the topic of failed F1 projects, back in the kit car days of F1 we had a few..... the first two that spring to mind are Connew and LEC.

I think I may have mentioned LEC but maybe that was in the Drivers who started their own teams thread.

LEC was basically David. Purley, or David's Father more specifically given he was the one with the chequebook. The car was a Mike Pilbeam designed chassis (Pilbeam had worked for BRM and from the 1970's produced a long succession of stunning Hillclimb cars powered by anything from Hart 2.8 litre stretched F2 engines through to DFV and derivative engines. He also produced a number of Sportscar chassis as well)

But back to the LEC it used the standard F1 kit car set up of DFV engine and Hewland gearbox.

The LEC only really ran for a few races in 1977, but following David Purley's horrendous crash at Silverstone, which brought his F1 career to an abrupt halt and led to the LEC project shelved.... it was originally devised for David but with him out of action.....

As for the Connew, Peter Connew was previously a designer with Surtees who decided to do his own thing and manufacture his own car c 1970. The team was pretty much a one man and a couple of mates type of set up and the car took a while to materialise. Again it was a kit car.... monocoque chassis with DFV and Hewland. The Connew PC1 did eventually materialise in 1972, It did have a unique rear suspension and that IIRC was an ongoing problem. A change of F1 regs forced the team to build a revised tub to conform. It was about as low a budget set up as could be imagined, and when Francois Migault came up with sponsorship money he became the driver. It was entered for the British GP in 1972,
and Francois took part in practice but DNS;d after a rear suspension upright was cracked.

They then had their entry refused in Germany before it actually made its only GP start ever, in Austria. It lasted until lap 25 when a rear suspension failure put it off the road and out of the race. That was its last GP.... although David Purley hired the car to run at the none championship Victory Race at the end of the season. However the car failed to run with an electrical problem sidelining it. :suspicious: :whistling:

The car was converted to an F5000 car in 1973 but failed to qualify with a novice driver. Tony Trimmer drove it once in F5000 but again it suffered a rear suspension failure. :banghead:

It then went into storage for over 40 years until it was restored with a view to Historic racing. It appeared at the Race Retro in 2018, and may have been seen at Goodwood one year. (it did as I have a pic of it there

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The Connew, now restored and here shown at the 2018 Race Retro Show.
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Well the LEC and the Connew raced at least.

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The LEC-liveried Connew.
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Everso Biggyballies wrote: 1 year ago and may have been seen at Goodwood one year. (it did as I have a pic of it there
I was stood next to it when Bernie and his fawning entourage walked past without giving it a second glance. Arses.
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EB wrote: 1 year ago
Everso Biggyballies wrote: 1 year ago and may have been seen at Goodwood one year. (it did as I have a pic of it there
I was stood next to it when Bernie and his fawning entourage walked past without giving it a second glance. Arses.
Sound like typical Bernie.
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How many times did Dywa try their luck in all? Several times at most.
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A scale model of what would have been the Lotus 103 had the team had the finances required to build it. Would have been the team's 1991 car.

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Was Norbert Hamy's head in the clouds when he came up with the Trebron?
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Nononsensecapeesh wrote: 1 year ago Image
Was Norbert Hamy's head in the clouds when he came up with the Trebron?
As you hint it seems a case of what medication was he on or where was his mind.....

Trebron is the anadrome (reverse spelling) of Norbert, Hamy's Christian name. :suspicious:

Hamy was a German born Canadian (who at this time worked in Japan) who it seems had more ideas than money. Urban Transportation Systems were his thing. The Trebron had Japanese backing from three wealthy motor sport enthusiasts he met.... just not enough of it (backing) It was planned to run a Judd engine.

ImageWealthy Japanese Motor Sport enthusiasts/\/\/\/\. Hideyuki Ichihashi, Naoki Baba and Sohey Tsuchiya

But at least the team did get as far as an official launch in Japan in 1992, with the idea that they would run in 1993. Bernie Ecclestone, Eddie Jordan and John Watson were there at the launch. It was launched with a plastic model as above and a promise. Here is the side view!

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Nobby promised the final design of their car would be ground breaking with new technologies inside of it. The team added to it that they already knew how they would implement these new technologies in their car. The suspension of the Trebron was a brand new system designed and patented by Norbert himself. :tongue: :whistling: :suspicious:

Fortunately the concept just fizzled out and vanished. :nuts:


He also designed a 6 wheel F1 car in 1976.... with the middle wheels central in the car. Unfortunately again ran out of money. Oh and the 6 wheeler only ever existed in his mind, or at least so it seems. He spoke of it but never was able to back it up with any drawings, or press info, not even sketches.

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That looks like it would have been revolutionary in 1977.
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Everso Biggyballies wrote: 1 year ago
Nononsensecapeesh wrote: 1 year ago Image
Was Norbert Hamy's head in the clouds when he came up with the Trebron?
As you hint it seems a case of what medication was he on or where was his mind.....

Trebron is the anadrome (reverse spelling) of Norbert, Hamy's Christian name. :suspicious:

Hamy was a German born Canadian (who at this time worked in Japan) who it seems had more ideas than money. Urban Transportation Systems were his thing. The Trebron had Japanese backing from three wealthy motor sport enthusiasts he met.... just not enough of it (backing) It was planned to run a Judd engine.

ImageWealthy Japanese Motor Sport enthusiasts/\/\/\/\. Hideyuki Ichihashi, Naoki Baba and Sohey Tsuchiya

But at least the team did get as far as an official launch in Japan in 1992, with the idea that they would run in 1993. Bernie Ecclestone, Eddie Jordan and John Watson were there at the launch. It was launched with a plastic model as above and a promise. Here is the side view!

Image

Nobby promised the final design of their car would be ground breaking with new technologies inside of it. The team added to it that they already knew how they would implement these new technologies in their car. The suspension of the Trebron was a brand new system designed and patented by Norbert himself. :tongue: :whistling: :suspicious:

Fortunately the concept just fizzled out and vanished. :nuts:


He also designed a 6 wheel F1 car in 1976.... with the middle wheels central in the car. Unfortunately again ran out of money. Oh and the 6 wheeler only ever existed in his mind, or at least so it seems. He spoke of it but never was able to back it up with any drawings, or press info, not even sketches.
Well then I don't believe it. I don't believe everything I read on unracedf1.com after all.
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May I submit this as a Failed Grand Prix car? Clearly based on an Audi Union, this Guidobaldi had a very unusual feature - the car leaned in whatever direction the steering wheel turned in, with the camber changing accordingly. Apparently Mr. Guidobaldi got motion sickness the first time he seriously tried it and the project got abandoned.

And despite looking like it came from the 30s, he actually finished building it in the mid/late 1950s.

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PTRACER wrote: 3 months ago May I submit this as a Failed Grand Prix car? Clearly based on an Audi Union, this Guidobaldi had a very unusual feature - the car leaned in whatever direction the steering wheel turned in, with the camber changing accordingly. Apparently Mr. Guidobaldi got motion sickness the first time he seriously tried it and the project got abandoned.

And despite looking like it came from the 30s, he actually finished building it in the mid/late 1950s.

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It seems he started the work in the1930's. The war and then the post war lack of availability of materials caused delays! Guidobaldi designed, built, and installed into his car a two-stroke, eight-cylinder, air-cooled radial engine layed on its side for a low centre of gravity.

Full history of the bloke, the build etc with pictures: https://oldmachinepress.com/2021/04/20/ ... ype-racer/


Timeline I found:

1954-1955 Modification of the principle of inclination of the chassis.

March 1956 Presentation at the 18th Nice Automobile Exhibition with engine but no body . pic below

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The bodiless “Guidomobile” on display at the Exposition Automobile de Nice in 1956. An aged Francois Guidobaldi stands at center holding his hat. The triangular suspension structures are apparent, as is the low-mounted engine. The circular mounts near the top of the suspension structures are the pivot points for the chassis, allowing it to swing.


August 6, 1971 Death of François Guidobaldi

1980 Antoine Raffaelli bought the car from François' son, Virgile Guidobaldi, 8 Avenue Mirabeau in Antibes.

1984 Adrien Maeght bought the car to display it in his automobile museum in Mougins.

February 2009 David Humbert bought the car when the Mougins Automobile Museum closed.

2009-2010 Total restoration, creation of the aluminum bodywork according to the original sketches.


Wanna see it and hear it running? Well, it was shown, restored and running at the 2014 Monaco Motor Show.


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Probably inspired by Ernst Neumann-Neander's 'driving machines':

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