Drivers Penalties and Points *€1 million driver fine introduced!**

[DownForce]

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Hamilton should be penalized for wearing Clowny clothes

[Michael Ferner]

I'm surprised Hamilton got only two in '21 - wasn't that the year he punted off Verstappen hard into the barrierrs, at Silverstone? The single worst unsporting behaviour I have seen in F1 in the past few years that I watched. Plus, there were other incidents that year iinm, like him crashing into Verstappen at Jeddah

[Everso Biggyballies]

I'm surprised Hamilton got only two in '21 - wasn't that the year he punted off Verstappen hard into the barrierrs, at Silverstone? The single worst unsporting behaviour I have seen in F1 in the past few years that I watched. Plus, there were other incidents that year iinm, like him crashing into Verstappen at Jeddah

Lewis got just 2 points for that (in his words) when his immediate reaction was Max turned into me, it was my corner, I had the line) at Silverstone 2021..... The same as Max got for 'brake testing Max in Jeddah..... Lewis did not want to pass where Max slowed for him to pass.... because there was a DRS activation point just after where Lewis would have passed. ie Max would have had DRS around the corner and able to re-pass Lewis with DRS.. Lewis didnt want to take the place back until after the activation point so he would then have DRS and the lead. So Max slowed right down to ensure Lewis had to pass, Lewis ran into him. Max had already received one penalty point earlier in the race for gaining an advantage by going off track.at the start.

Those 2 points were the only ones he got that year..... He got given 8 in 2020. (including 4 season opener at the Austrian GP when he was punished for not slowing sufficiently for yellow flags in qualifying, and then a collision with Albon in the race.. Actually 2020 he was awarded 10 demerit points but the FIA felt sorry for him and withdrew 2 points (Earned because he had done illegal practice starts away from the designated point. So for a while in 2020 he should have been in Gasly's current position of 10 points.

[erwin greven]

Actually, that makes sense, it would be better to get the ban out of the way. Once you've had the ban, what happens to the points? I mean, do you essentially start from scratch again, or are they still there looming over you if you do something else that's stupid?

After you got the ban, you start with a clean sheet. From scratch.

[Star]

Actually, that makes sense, it would be better to get the ban out of the way. Once you've had the ban, what happens to the points? I mean, do you essentially start from scratch again, or are they still there looming over you if you do something else that's stupid?

After you got the ban, you start with a clean sheet. From scratch.

Thanks for clarifying that. I assumed that would be the case, but I know you shouldn't assume as sometimes you end up being wrong when you do that.

[XcraigX]

Actually, that makes sense, it would be better to get the ban out of the way. Once you've had the ban, what happens to the points? I mean, do you essentially start from scratch again, or are they still there looming over you if you do something else that's stupid?

After you got the ban, you start with a clean sheet. From scratch.

That's spicy.
Therefore Gasly has the opportunity to just ram into one of his rivals this race to reset his points and start clean next year. Any ideas on who he dislikes the most? I'm sure there are plenty of prime targets based on the forum member dislikes. But I'm curious who Pierre thinks is his arch nemesis?

[Aty]

Why would he do that? He strikes me as a decent person. Not everyone is in constant, overly aggressive mode, vasting life in revenge. Some of his demerit points were (IMHO) rather ultra-cheap shots by the Race Stewards.

[XcraigX]

Why would he do that? He strikes me as a decent person. Not everyone is in constant, overly aggressive mode, vasting life in revenge. Some of his demerit points were (IMHO) rather ultra-cheap shots by the Race Stewards.

I'm just playing. I doubt he will.

[Star]

Why would he do that? He strikes me as a decent person. Not everyone is in constant, overly aggressive mode, vasting life in revenge. Some of his demerit points were (IMHO) rather ultra-cheap shots by the Race Stewards.

I'm just playing. I doubt he will.

If he does that now, I'm blaming you for putting the idea in his head

[erwin greven]

That's spicy.
Therefore Gasly has the opportunity to just ram into one of his rivals this race to reset his points and start clean next year. Any ideas on who he dislikes the most? I'm sure there are plenty of prime targets based on the forum member dislikes. But I'm curious who Pierre thinks is his arch nemesis?

Few track limit violations. Forcing someone off the track... done. Next year, new team, clean sheet.

[Aty]

Drivers are forcing rivals off the track quite often. It's hard to penetrate their minds and say with absolute certainty whether it was or wasn't intentional. Perhaps this is why Stewards do judge such incidents with glaring inconsistency. I cannot shake off an impression, that the name of the driver involved influences their assessments. Gasly running someone off might end up with more than he bargains for, especially if Stewards will think - that SOB has done it deliberately to clean his sheet. It might not be a clean sheet next year for him at the end.

[Everso Biggyballies]

So, Drivers penalty points issued in Brazil and totals of those involved


5 drivers added to their demerits this weekend.....

Stroll 3 points in the Sprint race for pushing Seb off. Total 8 points

Alonso 2 points in the Sprint for causing collision with Ocon Total 6 points

DannyRic 2 points for KMag on lap 1. Total 8 points

Lando 2 points for Leclerc at T6 Total 3 points.

Max 2 points for Lewis Total 7 points


Update of the running total as at Post Brazil (Changes in bold)

Driver Pts
Pierre Gasly 10
Yuki Tsunoda 9
Alex Albon 6
Daniel Ricciardo 8
Max Verstappen 7
Nicholas Latifi 5
Esteban Ocon 5
Lance Stroll 8
Fernando Alonso 6
George Russell 4
Kevin Magnussen 3
Guanyu Zhou 3
Sergio Perez 2
Valtteri Bottas 2
Sebastian Vettel 2
Lando Norris 3
Charles Leclerc 1
Mick Schumacher 1


Just for info Gasly not only saved his behind in being cleared for driving too slowly on his formation lap on Saturday but also got a 5 sec time penalty only (ie no points) for speeding in pit lane. So he remains on 10

[Kamikeli]

I understand the basic premise behind the penalty points, but it really doesn't apply to the F1 world. It does an efficient job at deterring junior drivers from being four-wheeled wrecking balls and/or putting everyone else in danger, but there's so many little extras that make no sense. There was no reason for Gasly to be anywhere close to that race ban mostly because of procedural mistakes, when the only time he put anyone in danger, that was himself - via speeding under red flags.

[MonteCristo]

I understand the basic premise behind the penalty points, but it really doesn't apply to the F1 world. It does an efficient job at deterring junior drivers from being four-wheeled wrecking balls and/or putting everyone else in danger, but there's so many little extras that make no sense. There was no reason for Gasly to be anywhere close to that race ban mostly because of procedural mistakes, when the only time he put anyone in danger, that was himself - via speeding under red flags.

I have to agree.

In sheer outright dangerous driving situations, you don't give someone a slap. You bench or ban them.

[Everso Biggyballies]

I understand the basic premise behind the penalty points, but it really doesn't apply to the F1 world. It does an efficient job at deterring junior drivers from being four-wheeled wrecking balls and/or putting everyone else in danger, but there's so many little extras that make no sense. There was no reason for Gasly to be anywhere close to that race ban mostly because of procedural mistakes, when the only time he put anyone in danger, that was himself - via speeding under red flags.

I have to agree.

In sheer outright dangerous driving situations, you don't give someone a slap. You bench or ban them.

Bring back the Birch.

[Michael Ferner]

I understand the basic premise behind the penalty points, but it really doesn't apply to the F1 world. It does an efficient job at deterring junior drivers from being four-wheeled wrecking balls and/or putting everyone else in danger, but there's so many little extras that make no sense. There was no reason for Gasly to be anywhere close to that race ban mostly because of procedural mistakes, when the only time he put anyone in danger, that was himself - via speeding under red flags.

Respectfully disagree. Speeding under red flags does endanger marshals, and in my humble opinion desereved an outright ban for at least two races. I couldn't care less for his own life under the circumstances, but the fact that he complained afterwards about himself being in danger deserved another two races on the bench, just to put the priorities right. I never had an opinion of this nothing guy before, but after this episode I have zero time for this entitled b***h. The sooner he disappears into his own arse the better.

@Michael Ferner You should try to use different wording for this. [mod]