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Bottom post of the previous page:

Ben Sulayem’s mishaps and meddling leave F1 asking if FIA is fit for purpose
https://www.msn.com/en-ca/sports/other/ ... fc7f&ei=18
https://www.msn.com/en-ca/sports/motors ... 1da1&ei=17

One cannot escape feeling that some people would like to get Ben Sulayem out, and their YES man in. Hard to say how long Ben will last. Having said that, I think that FiA could use little scrubbing, but for other reasons than articles is referring to.
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Ben is not a name. It's like calling Elio de Angelis "de"!
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Michael Ferner wrote: 3 months ago Ben is not a name. It's like calling Elio de Angelis "de"!
True. My err. It's corrected.
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It's one of the biggest questions that many people have when watching Formula 1, how hard is it compared to other sports?

Last year's Qatar Grand Prix showed just how tough it can be for drivers, after they experienced extreme heat.

Logan Sargeant had to retire from that race due to exhaustion, while several other drivers admitted to fainting behind the wheel.
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This was last year. This year the same and more. FiA is very hush hush about it. Heat, exhustion, travel to and from 20 countries in a season ahead.

Do I feel sorry for drivers? In a way I do. There is not enough money in a bank to compensate for potential consequences after fainting behind the steering wheel while travelling at 300+ klicks, and ending hitting a track safety barrier.
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One of the new feeds I follow just posted this: https://www.grandprix.com/news/top-ten- ... unoda.html

If Yuki is #10... I wonder who the top nine are and who is #11. I kind of think that the top nine would include Verstappen, both Mercedes drivers, both Ferrari drivers, Norris, Alonso, and both Alpine drivers. So kind of wondering who they are rating as worse than Yuki: Perez, Albon, DR, Hulkenberg ???
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Team principals ranking of drivers in 2023.

1 Max Verstappen
2 Fernando Alonso
3 Lando Norris
4 Charles Leclerc
5 Lewis Hamilton
6 Carlos Sainz
7 Oscar Piastri
8 Alex Albon
9 George Russell
10 Sergio Perez

I think Gasly is actually better than rating implies. I don't really get meaning what the rating represents. There are several possible interpretations. Most likely it is a personal opinion how drivers performed with the equipment available to them. TP opined that the drivers behind Max could do better than they scored in WDC run.

In discussion that car is made for him, Max reportedly denied any such thing. He said, I drive what they give me. Cars are the same for both of us. Sergio initially did well in the same car, so his drop off was for other reasons. Max also claimed, that unless you drive the car, you cannot knowledgeably talk about what is, or isn't possible with it. That view alone would cast any driver ratings into category "dubious" at best, and highly subjective regardless whether you are an outsider or TP. Based on data, TP can evaluate just his drivers. They have no access to other teams internal info.
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Yea, I would tend to rank both Gasly and Ocon above Piastri, Albon and Perez, but they appeared to have been ignored. The www.grandprix.com listing has Piastri 9th, Albon 8th, and Russell 7th. I assume the next six (which they have not posted yet) are probably the same as on your list, although maybe not the same order.
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Piastri's ceiling is well above Ocon and Gasly IMO. I don't rate them, but equally I am not going with the Piastri hype. On his best day he's on Norris' pace, but over the course of a race he's rarely on Norris' level.
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DoubleFart wrote: 3 months ago Piastri's ceiling is well above Ocon and Gasly IMO. I don't rate them, but equally I am not going with the Piastri hype. On his best day he's on Norris' pace, but over the course of a race he's rarely on Norris' level.
Yep I think the word is over-hyped in terms of Oscar. Good on his day but not enough days.
Good but far from the next Max, Fernando, Lewis etc. I would put Albon higher than Oscar given the car Alex had and the results he managed.

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Piastri has Mercedes PU. French drivers, in contrast, have Renault with some significantly lower horsepower. FiA estimated 20 - 33 HP as Otmar Szafnauer revealed.
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BEN SULAYEM: WE’RE HERE FOR SPORT, NOT STOCK THE MARKET PRICE
https://www.gptoday.com/full_story/view ... et_price_/

Eye catching, my soul pleasing headline. Whether one believes what one reads is another thing, but I surely would like to. Fact is, in recent years money people move into the sport coffers in a big way. Hard to say how long his relationship with Liberty (and a few others) will last. The man has also taken a few shots at his predecessor. I am not going to defend Todt, but we should not forget FiA F1 was loaded with MM's people, and Todt had to deal with them. With Whiting's passing, things began to slowly change.

He concludes:
Ben Sulayem: Everything needs to be improved, we are on the right path
Well, we wait.
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Problem in paradise?
We want to be compensated for the losses that occurred due to everything F1, the county, and the LVCVA did.”

We don’t need the F1, the F1 needs us,” local business owner Wade Bohn.

Bohn claimed that his 2022 revenue of $8.5 million dropping to $4.2 – $4.3 million was a result of F1’s action in the area, with the disruption preventing his customers from accessing the business easily.

“We believe the county is responsible,” Bohn added. “They’re using taxpayer dollars to bring F1 into town.
https://www.motorsportweek.com/2024/01/ ... n-from-f1/

That's what I thought. Some media outlets on the internet already suggested Monaco should be dropped in favour of glorious LV. After the latest noise, I would suggest to wait for a while. We could see already before race, the event was massively disruptive for locals, and they did not liked a bit. (Discussed on You Tube.)
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Venerable racing track Monza is getting € 21MM badly needed upgrade. That's a good news.
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Aty wrote: 3 months ago Venerable racing track Monza is getting € 21MM badly needed upgrade. That's a good news.
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Just saw this myself. As part of the upgrades the chicanes are getting their gravel traps back :twothumbs:
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DoubleFart wrote: 3 months ago Piastri's ceiling is well above Ocon and Gasly IMO. I don't rate them, but equally I am not going with the Piastri hype. On his best day he's on Norris' pace, but over the course of a race he's rarely on Norris' level.
I think Gasly (and Ocon) are straying dangerously into 'Alguersuari and Buemi' territory, where they are (on the face of it) so evenly-matched as team mates that it's difficult to ascertain how good they are, and how well they are doing with the equipment. Outside of Alpine who have all the data to hand, you really have to go through on a race-by-race basis to get an impression of who you think had the better year and whether that was due to talent or just good luck.

They kind of cancel each other out to a degree, which could hurt their prospects in the sport as it did with Alguersuari and Buemi.
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Fight is on:
The engines are made to last around 6,000 kilometres, but by 2024 - when only three engines are used - they should run 7,500 kilometres. The risk of an engine popping and losing precious World Championship points is reportedly considered too great. Therefore, Ferrari's starting point is as good as certain: deploying four engines.
Mercedes and Honda alledgedly want to vote against expansion, and want to stay with 3 PU only.

https://www.gpblog.com/en/news/255874/f ... -2024.html
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