Re: 2019 banter & Silly season thread for MotoGP, Moto2 and Moto3
Posted: Sun Mar 10, 2019 20:20 pm
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The protest has been not accepted. The win by dovizioso is confirmed!!Incorporating Farzad's F1 Gallery & F1Onboard.com
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The protest has been not accepted. The win by dovizioso is confirmed!!I wasnt aware of Lorenzo's weekend having been away myself and only getting home in time for the Moto 2 and MotoGP races. Maybe a little harsh on my part.
I saw Mat Oxley post about this in length - apparently the bikes need some sort of aero to avoid excessive wheelies when putting the power down coming out of corners. They've simplified the electronics so much that the wheelie control isn't that effective anymore, that coupled with the insane amount of power these bikes have mean that the wings is a necessary evil.
Or, you ride to the limit the bike gives you. Need to apply less power? Do that.John wrote: ↑5 years agoI saw Mat Oxley post about this in length - apparently the bikes need some sort of aero to avoid excessive wheelies when putting the power down coming out of corners. They've simplified the electronics so much that the wheelie control isn't that effective anymore, that coupled with the insane amount of power these bikes have mean that the wings is a necessary evil.
With the pack racing we have today, coupled with the unpredictable tyre that Michelin has produced, I don't see the harm in giving them a few aids. DORNA have somewhat put the clamps on the wings anyway. It's not as bad as the Ducati ones of a couple of years ago. Besides, it's not as if these bikes are easy to drive anyway.MonteCristo wrote: ↑5 years agoOr, you ride to the limit the bike gives you. Need to apply less power? Do that.John wrote: ↑5 years agoI saw Mat Oxley post about this in length - apparently the bikes need some sort of aero to avoid excessive wheelies when putting the power down coming out of corners. They've simplified the electronics so much that the wheelie control isn't that effective anymore, that coupled with the insane amount of power these bikes have mean that the wings is a necessary evil.
Also:Oxley from the link at the bottom wrote:Obviously, MotoGP doesn’t want an excess of downforce devices. Front downforce from wing-type devices increases safety because MotoGP bikes can lift the front wheel in fifth and sixth gears, so the front tyre needs to be pushed into the road at high speeds to avoid the tyre locking when riders hit the brakes.
The other manufacturers have managed without the additional aid that Ducati has introduced, why can't Ducati? The problem now is that again thanks to Ducati the other manufacturers will come with their own versions and MotoGP / Dorna / FIM will have an aero / tyre cooling / wheelie inhibiting arms race that it shouldn't have needed to police.John wrote: ↑5 years agoWith the pack racing we have today, coupled with the unpredictable tyre that Michelin has produced, I don't see the harm in giving them a few aids. DORNA have somewhat put the clamps on the wings anyway. It's not as bad as the Ducati ones of a couple of years ago.MonteCristo wrote: ↑5 years agoOr, you ride to the limit the bike gives you. Need to apply less power? Do that.John wrote: ↑5 years agoI saw Mat Oxley post about this in length - apparently the bikes need some sort of aero to avoid excessive wheelies when putting the power down coming out of corners. They've simplified the electronics so much that the wheelie control isn't that effective anymore, that coupled with the insane amount of power these bikes have mean that the wings is a necessary evil.
You know how racing works, you make your car/bike not the rules that's written, but rather to what's not written. Read the rule book like the devil reads the bible. You could argue that DORNA should write the rules better, but Gigi will always try to find a way around it. As will everyone else.kals wrote: ↑5 years ago Ah yes, a 'resort' that is yet to be built. Korea International Circuit mk2.
The other manufacturers have managed without the additional aid that Ducati has introduced, why can't Ducati? The problem now is that again thanks to Ducati the other manufacturers will come with their own versions and MotoGP / Dorna / FIM will have an aero / tyre cooling / wheelie inhibiting arms race that it shouldn't have needed to police.John wrote: ↑5 years agoWith the pack racing we have today, coupled with the unpredictable tyre that Michelin has produced, I don't see the harm in giving them a few aids. DORNA have somewhat put the clamps on the wings anyway. It's not as bad as the Ducati ones of a couple of years ago.MonteCristo wrote: ↑5 years agoOr, you ride to the limit the bike gives you. Need to apply less power? Do that.John wrote: ↑5 years agoI saw Mat Oxley post about this in length - apparently the bikes need some sort of aero to avoid excessive wheelies when putting the power down coming out of corners. They've simplified the electronics so much that the wheelie control isn't that effective anymore, that coupled with the insane amount of power these bikes have mean that the wings is a necessary evil.
Totally agree.John wrote: ↑5 years agoYou know how racing works, you make your car/bike not the rules that's written, but rather to what's not written. Read the rule book like the devil reads the bible. You could argue that DORNA should write the rules better, but Gigi will always try to find a way around it. As will everyone else.
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In two smoke days it was announced like this : "You (the rider) have it in your right hand"MonteCristo wrote: ↑5 years agoOr, you ride to the limit the bike gives you. Need to apply less power? Do that.John wrote: ↑5 years agoI saw Mat Oxley post about this in length - apparently the bikes need some sort of aero to avoid excessive wheelies when putting the power down coming out of corners. They've simplified the electronics so much that the wheelie control isn't that effective anymore, that coupled with the insane amount of power these bikes have mean that the wings is a necessary evil.