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PTRACER wrote: ↑4 years ago I kind of agree with @jimclark, if I correctly understand the point he is trying to make.

I disagree with the idea of BoP. Sports car racing is not a one-make series. Back in the old days, if one car wasn't fast enough to beat another, then the only option was to design a better car. That's how we got the GT40 right?

wiki wrote:Prototype Years (1997-1998)

Following the loss of Patrick Peter from the BPR Organisation, the BPR Organisation evolved into the Stephane Ratel Organisation, with the SRO now co-organising the championship with the FIA. With this change, it saw an even larger influx of professional teams and manufacturers, with the whole grid of the GT1 class consisting of nothing but professional teams. [5] The 1997 season saw the entry of the Mercedes-AMG Team, who would debut the CLK GTR. Similar to the 911 GT1, the CLK GTR was yet another homologation special prototype, with the car only being a racing-version of a production Grand Tourer in name. The car had no street legal version even built by the time the category collapsed in 1999, and shared only the instrumentation, front grille and the four headlamps with the normal CLK C208. That same season, realising that the F1 GTR would not be competitive against the homologation specials, McLaren also updated the bodywork of the car, with the alterations so significant that they were forced to build a road car with the updated bodywork, effectively turning the car into a homologation special. The resulting car was known as the F1 GT, with 3 being built.[6] In 1998, realising that with the introduction of the updated CLK LM, and the 911 GT1-98, the F1 GTR could no longer be competitive, McLaren withdrew backing from the program, following BMW which had done so the previous year, in 1997, although 2 cars would still be entered by Parabolica Motorsports and Davidoff Classic. In 1999, following the total domination of the Mercedes-AMG team in the Championship in the previous season, which saw them win all races in the championship, with both the CLK GTR and LM, no GT1 teams entered the category, apart from the Mercedes-AMG Team. As such, the FIA chose to run the 1999 FIA GT Championship with just the GT2 class.[7]

erwin greven wrote: ↑4 years ago

PTRACER wrote: ↑4 years ago I kind of agree with @jimclark, if I correctly understand the point he is trying to make.

I disagree with the idea of BoP. Sports car racing is not a one-make series. Back in the old days, if one car wasn't fast enough to beat another, then the only option was to design a better car. That's how we got the GT40 right?

Yes. and that is some 50 years ago. The last time we saw a no BoP GT class, that was the GT1 class. Look how that ended.

wiki wrote:Prototype Years (1997-1998)

Following the loss of Patrick Peter from the BPR Organisation, the BPR Organisation evolved into the Stephane Ratel Organisation, with the SRO now co-organising the championship with the FIA. With this change, it saw an even larger influx of professional teams and manufacturers, with the whole grid of the GT1 class consisting of nothing but professional teams. [5] The 1997 season saw the entry of the Mercedes-AMG Team, who would debut the CLK GTR. Similar to the 911 GT1, the CLK GTR was yet another homologation special prototype, with the car only being a racing-version of a production Grand Tourer in name. The car had no street legal version even built by the time the category collapsed in 1999, and shared only the instrumentation, front grille and the four headlamps with the normal CLK C208. That same season, realising that the F1 GTR would not be competitive against the homologation specials, McLaren also updated the bodywork of the car, with the alterations so significant that they were forced to build a road car with the updated bodywork, effectively turning the car into a homologation special. The resulting car was known as the F1 GT, with 3 being built.[6] In 1998, realising that with the introduction of the updated CLK LM, and the 911 GT1-98, the F1 GTR could no longer be competitive, McLaren withdrew backing from the program, following BMW which had done so the previous year, in 1997, although 2 cars would still be entered by Parabolica Motorsports and Davidoff Classic. In 1999, following the total domination of the Mercedes-AMG team in the Championship in the previous season, which saw them win all races in the championship, with both the CLK GTR and LM, no GT1 teams entered the category, apart from the Mercedes-AMG Team. As such, the FIA chose to run the 1999 FIA GT Championship with just the GT2 class.[7]

erwin greven wrote: ↑4 years agoYou must have a hard time watching races of these days.

Cheeveer wrote: ↑4 years agoWhen you put it like this, sure, it drains the enthusiasm of you, but at the end of the day what do you want? Competitive racing with 30 car grids with BoP, or no racing at all?

jimclark wrote: ↑4 years ago Auto racing is changing....not for the better as far as I'm concerned (can you tell?). My passion's waning rapidly.

Cheeveer wrote: ↑4 years ago Lucien Bianchi's weird looking Cooper-BRM in Mexico 1968

erwin greven wrote: ↑4 years ago

jimclark wrote: ↑4 years ago Auto racing is changing....not for the better as far as I'm concerned (can you tell?). My passion's waning rapidly.

For me its the opposite.