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Nononsensecapeesh wrote: 1 year ago
Wasn't the Spirit a converted F2 car more than anything else?
Indeed it was.... the 201 was originally used in F2 in 1982, running a V6 2 litre engine. That RA260E engine used in F2 was in fact the basis of the F1 engine.... the F1 version was based on the 2 litre F2 engine destroked to 1.5 litres, so.physically the same size. Obviously the F1 engine was a turbo so would have had to had all the turbo hardware, intercoolers etc, not to mention a larger fuel tank. I dare say the 201 F2 chassis would have been modified to cope with the extra weight and of course power. But in all essence it started life as an F2 car.

I will add that it was not an unusual process and this would be farfrom the first of that ideology. In fact the March 721G F1 car was IIRC a very hurriedly produced (to replace the 721X F1 car which was a disaster) The 721G F1 car used a March 722 chassis, modified to take a DFV in place of the much more compact 4 cylinder Ford BDA plus the heavier duty transmission that required. Plus the larger fuel tank required for a GP. I said it was produced in a hurry.... the story goes that the car received the G suffix as being G for Guinness. The car was built from an F2 chassis in days and was in March eyes worthy of being in the Guinness Book of Records. Given the car was quite nimble and an improvement over the purpose designed F1 car, March produced another 4 721G's for the other drivers, including Peterson and Lauda.

For a period of years the philosophy of March F1 cars were in fact based an upgraded F2 chassis. Actually the first F2 (772) derived 721G (721G/1) built for Mike Beutler to use in 1972 went on to be relabelled a March 731 (731/3) the following year and was used by David Purely in the Lec Refrigeration colours at the 1973 Monaco GP! Another (721G/3) became 731/3 and was sold to Hesketh to run James Hunt at Monaco
1973.

F2 cars repurposed as F1 cars was not new when Honda did it with the 201.

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Everso Biggyballies wrote: 1 year ago
Nononsensecapeesh wrote: 1 year ago
Wasn't the Spirit a converted F2 car more than anything else?
Indeed it was.... the 201 was originally used in F2 in 1982, running a V6 2 litre engine. That RA260E engine used in F2 was in fact the basis of the F1 engine.... the F1 version was based on the 2 litre F2 engine destroked to 1.5 litres, so.physically the same size. Obviously the F1 engine was a turbo so would have had to had all the turbo hardware, intercoolers etc, not to mention a larger fuel tank. I dare say the 201 F2 chassis would have been modified to cope with the extra weight and of course power. But in all essence it started life as an F2 car.

I will add that it was not an unusual process and this would be farfrom the first of that ideology. In fact the March 721G F1 car was IIRC a very hurriedly produced (to replace the 721X F1 car which was a disaster) The 721G F1 car used a March 722 chassis, modified to take a DFV in place of the much more compact 4 cylinder Ford BDA plus the heavier duty transmission that required. Plus the larger fuel tank required for a GP. I said it was produced in a hurry.... the story goes that the car received the G suffix as being G for Guinness. The car was built from an F2 chassis in days and was in March eyes worthy of being in the Guinness Book of Records. Given the car was quite nimble and an improvement over the purpose designed F1 car, March produced another 4 721G's for the other drivers, including Peterson and Lauda.

For a period of years the philosophy of March F1 cars were in fact based an upgraded F2 chassis. Actually the first F2 (772) derived 721G (721G/1) built for Mike Beutler to use in 1972 went on to be relabelled a March 731 (731/3) the following year and was used by David Purely in the Lec Refrigeration colours at the 1973 Monaco GP! Another (721G/3) became 731/3 and was sold to Hesketh to run James Hunt at Monaco
1973.

F2 cars repurposed as F1 cars was not new when Honda did it with the 201.
Had a feeling it wasn't the first time.
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The Peugeot 9X8 Hypercar looks like it's got a great big mohican!
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Nononsensecapeesh wrote: 1 year ago Image
The Peugeot 9X8 Hypercar looks like it's got a great big mohican!
And with the way it's performed so far, it might be the last of the Mohicans.

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The Wagner FW0013 is very charming
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themwayz wrote: 10 months ago Image

The Wagner FW0013 is very charming
Its certainly fairly unique.... not sure I have seen it before. I do like the quirky oddballs!!

Almost looks like someone has taken an open wheeler and dropped a bit of Sports car bodywork on top, laving the open wheeler underpinnings there.

Particularly in this pic I found of it at the Supercup Nürburgring Eifelrennen in 1989

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Everso Biggyballies wrote: 10 months ago
themwayz wrote: 10 months ago Image

The Wagner FW0013 is very charming
Its certainly fairly unique.... not sure I have seen it before. I do like the quirky oddballs!!

Almost looks like someone has taken an open wheeler and dropped a bit of Sports car bodywork on top, laving the open wheeler underpinnings there.

Particularly in this pic I found of it at the Supercup Nürburgring Eifelrennen in 1989

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The front wing looks very Ferrari 312T4/5-esque for a start...
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Kenny Wallace rolled out a rather unusual car setup in qualifying for the 2006 DirecTV 500 at Martinsville. Whatever his team was attempting, it didn't work as Wallace failed to make the race.

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For a while there, they had tremendous dive built into the Martinsville setups, and this was an extreme example. Probably to run soft-as-possible springs for maximum camber gain in the turns. It'd almost look like those exaggerated 1930s cartoons where the car would "chomp down" on the road under braking. :P
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The Eyston-Eldrige Speed of the Wind LSR car looks like one of my old shoes.

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It has a 'Brooklands silencer'! So, presumably they ran it on the track, too.
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Michael Ferner wrote: 4 months ago It has a 'Brooklands silencer'! So, presumably they ran it on the track, too.
Good observation Mr Ferner..... They wanted a bit of hush for its secret shakedown testing.....
The completed car was tested at Brooklands in 1935. A "special muffler system" was added to quiet the car for the early-hour and somewhat secretive testing. Once everything seemed in order, Speed of the Wind was painted red, and the car and team set off for the Bonneville Salt Flats

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Well, the silencer was compulsory for every car that ran at Brooklands, not only for "early-hour and secretive testing". That's why I immediately recognized it! :smiley:
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I moustache you what were you thinking with this
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MostlyRetired wrote: 3 months ago Image

I moustache you what were you thinking with this
Did they try to replicate the March 707 as closed race car?
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