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Bottom post of the previous page:

Interesting...
https://businessf1magazine.com/april-2024-free-issue/
Allison says Brawn wasted six years taking Formula One up wrong path.
Obsessing with dirty air.
p.7 in the preview

One surprrise after another.
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Aty wrote: 2 weeks ago Interesting...
https://businessf1magazine.com/april-2024-free-issue/
Allison says Brawn wasted six years taking Formula One up wrong path.
Obsessing with dirty air.
p.7 in the preview

One surprrise after another.
Team that can't understand how ground effects cars work claims that ground effect is the wrong solution.

What a shock.
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Hockenheim inches closer to F1 race return
https://www.grandprix.com/news/hockenhe ... eturn.html

Emodrom Group, private investors, plan to invest incrementally about €250M and revive the facility with hope to lure F1 back to Hockenheim. I think @Everso Biggyballies outlined quite well how the future for small operators may develop. It could take a while before FOM will consider occassional return. Having said that, I am pleased that someone has shown small degree of interest to pay bills.
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In re: Pre-race added "show"

According to Formel1.de, Stefano Domenicali is preparing us for more sprint events they want to induce in addition to expanded calendar. To be frank, I have expected and dreaded something like that might happen. Setting aside impact of heavy workload on supporting staff, drivers and their families, is this actually well thought out strategy how to make the F1 popular? I am with a group which thinks less and rare is far more attractive when it happen. Strategy pursued by FOM seems to be concerned more about short term cash registry, rather than long term well being of the sport.

I am lacking understanding how living on low budget teams will stretch people and equipment without investing anything into it. People will need to be on rotation. That's necessity, but terrible idea for continuity without errors in work-transfer. Are we returning into 19th century industrial practices? Maybe Stefano and people he associate with should glance at the Boeing, and learn a thing or two from their mistakes. Will they? I doubt it. Living in a bubble makes them happy.
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Bad news for the F1?
FORMULA E NEW GEN3 EVO CAR FASTER THAN FORMULA 1 FROM 0-60MPH
Key technical enhancements for the new Formula E GEN3 Evo race car include:

The quickest accelerating FIA single-seater race car – Capable of 0-60mph in 1.82 seconds (0-100kph in 1.86s), 30% faster than a current F1 car.
Faster, stronger, more agile – Performance upgrades providing an estimated 2% performance gain from GEN3, equating to a c.2 secs faster qualifying lap on the Monaco circuit, offering world-class racing on any track.
Leaner and meaner – An aggressive new body kit designed to be stronger, more robust and more aerodynamic, delivering closer wheel-to-wheel racing.
All-wheel drive (AWD) –A first for a Formula E car, available during qualifying duels, race starts, and ATTACK MODE. This feature maximises acceleration and control, elevating the thrill of critical race moments and intensifying driver rivalries. AWD enhances both performance and strategy, providing more exciting racing for drivers and fans alike.
Better grip – Optimised all-weather Hankook iON tyres providing 5-10% more grip, made from 35% recycled and sustainable materials (+9% vs GEN3 spec).
https://www.grandprix247.com/2024/04/29 ... m-0-60mph/

Q.
Can F1 continue to claim it's fastest among fast ones? Some say, based on data, not anymore!
Technically sophisticated? Probably right, but competitions is closing fast on parallel track.
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Tesla Plaid's have been faster to 60 than F1 for a little while.
Tractor pulling has more powerful engines.
Top Fuel Dragsters are faster than Formula E
Indycar has faster average lap speeds on ovals.


You know what that all means?

Absolutely nothing. Just like the Formula E 0-60 time.


None of those cars are the balanced all-round package you get from an F1 car.
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Tesla Plaid or a Tractor aren't in competition with the F1. Comparison is irrelevant. Formula E however is, whether you chose it ignore it, or not. Watch the space.
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More juicy stuff in the land of Team Principals. Well, ex TPs to be factual. And not that controversial, just seems like Carl Haas being tight.

Guenther Steiner sues Haas F1

Guenther Steiner is suing the Haas F1 team for breach of his employment contract after he was not retained for 2024. Before I continue lets make it clear Guenther does not dispute that his contract was not renewed with the team at the end of last year....... he agrees that constitutes a “termination with cause” under the Employment Agreement, for which GS is entitled to all “Base Salary and any other compensation that has been earned through to the date of termination,” which includes commissions earned through December 31, 2023.”

Steiner's complaint states that did not happen. That specific period was covered under his third employment agreement as team principal and ran from January 1, 2021 until December 31, 2023. Part of that contract included the payment of annual bonuses and commissions due in January of the following year.

The claim outlines how the Italian's knowledge of the industry and connections within offered benefits to the Haas organisation. Steiner spearheaded the Haas F1 Team since its inception in 2014 after securing backing from Gene Haas to create the organisation. In effect he did all the negotiations with Dallara, Ferrari, staff hiring etc. In effect Haas would not have happened without Guenther. 'All' Mr Haas did was sign the cheques.

In a nutshell it seems that despite coming last he was due bonuses that were not paid. I guess, like drivers TP's get paid per point earned. Of course Guenther was also a key factor in all the teams merchandise, most of which featured him or his quotes. :idunno:

More justifiable is that Guenther also claims that the team continues to use his name and likeness without authorisation.

Guenther as we know was a cult figure in F1 and enjoyed more popularity and followers on social media than most of the drivers after his no holds barred comments sparked by his starring role in Drive to Survive.

The team produced a line of t-shirts carrying Steiner's image, name, and quotes, while the Italian himself has inked book deals of the back of his increased notoriety.

“Haas F1 has no right to use Mr Steiner's name, image, and likeness or to exploit them in any form of media after the termination of his employment,” the court filing details.

“Haas F1 has not compensated Mr Steiner for its unauthorised use of his name, image, and likeness.”

I guess Haas are still flogging and earning from the Steiner merchandise which is a bit rude. Bottom line is Guenther deserves to be paid for his merchandise, seemingly unpaid last year and worse still Haas are still benefitting from those sales now.

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Alpine sign Sanchez to oversee team’s technical department
https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/arti ... tktARpjEVd

Homecoming for Mr. Sanchez.

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In re - Alonso will speak to FiA about (perceived) bias by race stewards

https://www.msn.com/en-ca/sports/other/ ... c83a&ei=11

To be honest, I hold the same perception when it came to judging Vettel. Systematic application of double standards. (Media (bias) pressure was relentless.)
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Gifted win?
Shame in Miami: FIA mistakes cast a bit of doubt over Norris' win
https://www.gpblog.com/en/news/274711/f ... appen.html

is FiA involved in manipulation of races? I was in bed (excellent decision) instead watching the race, but today's news are bloated with some terrible reading. People aren't able to differentiate anymore between good and bad, honest and crooked...
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Aty wrote: 4 days ago Gifted win?
Shame in Miami: FIA mistakes cast a bit of doubt over Norris' win
https://www.gpblog.com/en/news/274711/f ... appen.html

is FiA involved in manipulation of races? I was in bed (excellent decision) instead watching the race, but today's news are bloated with some terrible reading. People aren't able to differentiate anymore between good and bad, honest and crooked...
What a dreadful article that is. Clearly the author of that total garbage was not watching the same race. Absolute drivel from one that gives journalists a bad name. No wonder that website has such a bad reputation. Maybe a Max fanboi looking for excuses as to why Max lost.

What actually happened was certainly not as we would have wanted but was more a quirk of circumstance than the utter clickbait "massive blunder by the FIA meant Max Verstappen was denied the win. A look back at a string of mistakes by the safety car driver, German Bernd Mayländer. as written in that account.

The string of mistakes lie only with the click seeking author. He talks of the SC being just two laps, 28 and 29. Wrong. It was laps 29-32 inclusive. The accident was on lap 28, Near the end of lap 28 for Lando, in the lead at the time of the accident. The green flag was at the start of lap 33. Not only did the debris and wreck of Sargeants car have to be cleared. but Sargeants impact was sufficiently hard for the barriers requiring minor repair. The damage to the barriers was noted in the Sky commentary and shown on camera.

The journalist would have benefitted and been able to avoid writing such clickbait and erroneous trash had he paid attention to his screen and more to the point made reference to the wonderful FIA Lap analysis chartavailable to all on their webside.... that gives exact lap times for every driver, every lap. That would have shown the lap speed the McLarens (particularly Oscar) had over Max It would have highlighted what a crock of shite he had just penned. Max's fastest lap was slower than Hamilton. Perez, Albon McLarens and Ferraris. His lap pace fizzled out with odd exceptions after about lap 15

This is what actually happened.

Max had already made his stop to go from mediums to hards just a few laps prior (end lap 23 looking at the FIA lap times). That was the lap the VSC deployed to recover the cone Max dislodged He was on lap 28 showing as 2nd, albeit several seconds behind Lando , yet to stop.... Sainz and Piastri had both pitted at the end of lap 27from 1st and 2nd, just before the crash. Lando inherited the lead and was lapping some 0.4 faster on his old medium tyres than Max, now cycled up to 2nd on his new hard tyres. Lando had chosen to stay out a few laps longer than Max because his tyres were in a good place.

The crash happened. It was clear straight away it would be an SC, although initially it was only shown as yellow . Instantly McLaren readied for Lando to come in for a cheap stop. The SC was deployed and left pit lane before Lando pitted, but after he had passed pit exit. Max, some 12 seconds behind Lando was the first car round after the SC left pitlane. Lando continued round at reduced speed, albeit faster than the SC Max was now behind. Lando pitted, and was back out before the SC came round, in effect enabling Lando to go round and in theory join the rear of the SC line but almost a lap ahead. This was lap 30. Immediately race control realised what had happened and ordered the SC to wave past the field and wait to pick up Lando. Max and the rest of the field all raced round to join up behind Lando by th start of lap 32. Max's lap 31, having been waved past with the pacck following was actually just shy of 20 seconds faster than Lando now stuck behing the SC waiting for the pack. By lap 32 they were all back in a crocodile line behind Lando and the SC.

Lap 33 they went green. The reality is that although Lando looked to have benefitted he didnt other than from having a pit stop under SC conditions. That was fortunate, but in reality came about because Lando had chosen to stay out after the others pitted early. That put him in a different part of the track when the SC was deployed. Not the FIAs fault and certainly not Maylanders's fault in the SC.

The race restarted, on lap 33. Max and the pack of course were probably advantaged over Lando, because whilst Lando had been weaving to maintain tyre temp behind the SC Max and co were generating tyre temp playing catch up at much higher speed. The had better tyre temp at the restart.

That Max was unable to match Lando's pace or tyre management for some laps prior to the SC and for the balance of the race post SC was why Lando won. Obviously the fact that Max had a green flag pitstop against Lando's SC pitstop helped Lando and gave him track position. But none of that was the FIA or Maylanders fault. That is perhaps the risk Max / Red Bull ran by running an early stop strategy.

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Actually even Brundle said earlier in the race that due to low Miami track grip the "heating up the tires" doesn't work here as much as some other places ergo the undercut isn't the favorable option either. So the pack didn't have any advantage, on the contrary Norris had another one due to newer tires.

Overall in a series with tire warmers like F1 the whole "warming up the tires" is a flawed idea based on stereotypes. Might as well follow Super Formula where cars are slower by 4-5 seconds on the outlap compared to the one that stopped two laps earlier.
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Everso Biggyballies wrote: 4 days ago
Aty wrote: 4 days ago Gifted win?
Shame in Miami: FIA mistakes cast a bit of doubt over Norris' win
https://www.gpblog.com/en/news/274711/f ... appen.html

is FiA involved in manipulation of races? I was in bed (excellent decision) instead watching the race, but today's news are bloated with some terrible reading. People aren't able to differentiate anymore between good and bad, honest and crooked...
What a dreadful article that is.
Thank you for all of the above.

I have also something for you - reward for your detailed analysis and time it has taken to write it.

Congratulation to Melbourne (and Sydney).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tAzG6Rq4diY

I have also two cities which I do frequent often on that list (appology for deviating from racing). Plus one I visit 2x annually.
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Aty wrote: 4 days ago
Congratulation to Melbourne (and Sydney).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tAzG6Rq4diY
Thanks.

Ironically they talk of Melbourne and show some Melbourne images, but notably include the Sydney Opera House, Sydney Harbour Bridge and the Sydney Centrepoint Tower. They spoke of the tranquil waters of the Yarra River whilst showing images of Sydney Harbour. :insulted: :whistling:
Ironically whilst talking of Sydney they mentioned the opera house but whilst mentioning it showed the Hotel Grand Central. They talk of "Imagine waking up to these harbour views...." whist showing an image of a farmhand at a very rural sheep station. Certainly not within a couple of hundred kilometres of the harbour. :haha:

As for Sydney being affordable.... :nah: the average price for a house in the suburbs is now over $1.6 million, (an apartment only a million). If you want a luxury house with a harbour view $50 million, but a high rise penthouse apartment recently sold for $140 million.

Melbourne aint far behind..... to get back on a motor racing theme Ed Craven, the 28 year old owner of F1 Sauber sponsor Stake / Kick just paid $80 million for a house and demolished it to build a new home that will be worth $150 mill! :nuts:

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