The Future is Bright, The Future is Orange, Dutch GP 2023

[erwin greven]

Bottom post of the previous page:

No Lando to damage the trophy

[XcraigX]

No Lando to damage the trophy

Did you see Fernando making comment on that on the podium.

[Picci]

I wonder what Mr Lawrence Stroll will be telling his beloved and supremely talented son this evening.

[erwin greven]

The most disturbing moment of the race. But at the same time the most predictable moment of the race.

[Aty]

Fred, oh my lord. You are toast wih Italy's media. Did they call him for refueling?

[Everso Biggyballies]

Post race penalties for KMag and Yuki Tsunoda

KMag got a 5 second post race 5 second penalty for falling more than 10 car lengths of the car in front in the final restart process. I think it dropped him fro 14th to 16th in the reults. Tsunoda also received a five-second time penalty for causing a collision.

Fernando got the Fastest Lap bonus point.

So the revised results with the post race penalties are:


POS NO DRIVER CAR LAPS TIME/RETIRED PTS
1 1 Max Verstappen RED BULL RACING HONDA RBPT 72 2:24:04.411 25
2 14 Fernando Alonso ASTON MARTIN ARAMCO MERCEDES 72 +3.744s 19
3 10 Pierre Gasly ALPINE RENAULT 72 +7.058s 15
4 11 Sergio Perez RED BULL RACING HONDA RBPT 72 +10.068s 12
5 55 Carlos Sainz FERRARI 72 +12.541s 10
6 44 Lewis Hamilton MERCEDES 72 +13.209s 8
7 4 Lando Norris MCLAREN MERCEDES 72 +13.232s 6
8 23 Alexander Albon WILLIAMS MERCEDES 72 +15.155s 4
9 81 Oscar Piastri MCLAREN MERCEDES 72 +16.580s 2
10 31 Esteban Ocon ALPINE RENAULT 72 +18.346s 1
11 18 Lance Stroll ASTON MARTIN ARAMCO MERCEDES 72 +20.087s 0
12 27 Nico Hulkenberg HAAS FERRARI 72 +20.840s 0
13 40 Liam Lawson ALPHATAURI HONDA RBPT 72 +26.147s 0
14 77 Valtteri Bottas ALFA ROMEO FERRARI 72 +27.388s 0
15 22 Yuki Tsunoda ALPHATAURI HONDA RBPT 72 +29.893s 0
16 20 Kevin Magnussen HAAS FERRARI 72 +31.410s 0
17 63 George Russell MERCEDES 72 +55.754s 0
NC 24 Zhou Guanyu ALFA ROMEO FERRARI 62 DNF 0
NC 16 Charles Leclerc FERRARI 41 DNF 0
NC 2 Logan Sargeant WILLIAMS MERCEDES 14 DNF 0


Got to say kudos to Alex Albon who made his first stop for tyres on lap 44! Most others had made 3 stops by then.


Current WDC Points
Fernando closed a few points on Sergio and.opened a few on Lewis.
Carlos jumped Russell and Leclerc
Gasly jumped Piastri and Ocon to make the top 10. (Ocon now 1 point behind in 11th)


POS DRIVER NATIONALITY CAR PTS
1 Max Verstappen 339
2 Sergio Perez 201
3 Fernando Alonso 168
4 Lewis Hamilton 156
5 Carlos Sainz 102
6 Charles Leclerc 99
7 George Russell 99
8 Lando Norris 75
9 Lance Stroll 47
10 Pierre Gasly 37


Constructors

Aston stretch their lead over Ferrari and close slightly on Mercedes.
Williams jump ahead of Haas and Alpine close a bit on McLaren

1 RED BULL RACING HONDA RBPT 540
2 MERCEDES 255
3 ASTON MARTIN ARAMCO MERCEDES 215
4 FERRARI 201
5 MCLAREN MERCEDES 111
6 ALPINE RENAULT 73
7 WILLIAMS MERCEDES 15
8 HAAS FERRARI 11
9 ALFA ROMEO FERRARI 9
10 ALPHATAURI HONDA RBPT 3

[Aty]

AMuS

Despite wet conditions, interest in Max's journey to the next title seems strong. (I think it was about 300 000 visitors if I am not mistaken.)

[Everso Biggyballies]

Despite wet conditions, interest in Max's journey to the next title seems strong. (I think it was about 300 000 visitors if I am not mistaken.)

I think the official word was 340,000 over the three days. No doubt a number helped by the local boy's involvement as happens with any race. Max certainly has a great following as he deserves given his achievements and undoubted abilities.

[White six]

We were looking at tickets for next year, but they sell first to whoever went this year = no fecking chance

[Star]

Well that was a race wasn't it? Shows what a couple of well timed showers of rain can do to spice things up.  The banked track helped to add to the action too. It was much more banked than even I realised.

Alonso made a mega start, he's so good in these conditions and it showed. He must have been loving it, he was awesome. Perez and Sainz made a good call going in for inters and for a while it looked like they would really benefit from it as well. Sadly the benefit didn't last for them, but they had to try it. Any advantage Perez had he soon lost as Max was mighty when chasing him down once he'd changed to inters and then he did the undercut back to slicks anyway, Perez must have been so disappointed.

Shame for Sargeant that he crashed the way he did and you could see what it meant to him. I am assuming he feels it won't help his chances of staying in F1 for another season and probably rightly so. He was visibly upset, bless him.  On the other hand I think Leclerc was relieved when he got to retire his Ferrari, he'd had a torrid time out there and was well out of it. 
Terrible slow stop for Alonso, it seemed to undo a lot of his good work, but nothing was stopping him yesterday.

George Russell had a hell of a moment with his team mate behind him, how he kept the car on the track I don't know. It was all in vain sadly as the incident with Norris ended his race.

When the rain came again, it was ridiculously heavy. Perez went for another gamble with the full wets, but the race got red flagged. He also managed to pick up a penalty which ruined his chances of a podium in the end. No matter what he does fate or karma seems to be out to scupper his plans lately. The heavy rain caused mayhem for a while, the red flag was the right call at that point.
After that it was a race to the finish line and we had a few good moves, Gasly was determined and he got the podium, his radio message after the flag suggested he might be a little bit pleased about it. LOL  Alonso deserved the 2nd place, he had done his best to hustle Max after the restart but there was no way the local hero was giving up on this win at his home race. It also means he's equalled Sebastian Vettel's nine race wins in a row. So expect that to be another record he can break in Monza no doubt.

See, the showers showed what can happen if you throw in a few curveballs. I know at one time Bernie wanted sprinklers at the tracks to artificially make that happen. In theory it wasn't a bad idea in some ways but the real thing is better.
Those are my thoughts on the race anyway.

[Everso Biggyballies]

Shame for Sargeant that he crashed the way he did and you could see what it meant to him. I am assuming he feels it won't help his chances of staying in F1 for another season and probably rightly so. He was visibly upset, bless him. 

On the good news front for Logan it was not hi fault that he craashed or so it seems. Initially I thought it was looking like bad news in a drive keeping way, knowing that he is hanging on by a thread largely created by his nationlity. (Thants not to say he has no talent... I thinks he shows promise and has done reasonably well for a rookie)
However as I was saying it wasnt Logan's faault yesterday as some sort of hydraulic failure set in just prior, causing Logan to lose his power steering at the critical moment.

[Star]

Shame for Sargeant that he crashed the way he did and you could see what it meant to him. I am assuming he feels it won't help his chances of staying in F1 for another season and probably rightly so. He was visibly upset, bless him. 

On the good news front for Logan it was not hi fault that he craashed or so it seems. Initially I thought it was looking like bad news in a drive keeping way, knowing that he is hanging on by a thread largely created by his nationlity. (Thants not to say he has no talent... I thinks he shows promise and has done reasonably well for a rookie)
However as I was saying it wasnt Logan's faault yesterday as some sort of hydraulic failure set in just prior, causing Logan to lose his power steering at the critical moment.

That must be a relief for him, he did look pretty desolate when they showed him sat by the track, his head in his hands. I did feel sorry for him.