The COVID British Grand Prix - Round 4

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Bottom post of the previous page:

That was quite an exciting end to an otherwise mediocre race. The only excitement was in the midfiled until the last 2 laps.

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Tyre bombs , the new Carey master plan :)

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I was also bemoaning the Max pitstop at the time.. but really, we see cars do this all the time and it's almost always a completely sensible gamble. The odds of a car in front suffering a setback that both slows them enough that they would have been caught without the stop, but not enough that you can't catch them because you pitted, is incredibly slim. And it's worth risking those very long odds for the very decent chance of an extra point.

Pitting Max at the time was probably the right choice.
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I assume Bottas did get the FL point?
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Max won it. Botty was stuck behind vettel
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Circuitmaster wrote: 3 years ago I was also bemoaning the Max pitstop at the time.. but really, we see cars do this all the time and it's almost always a completely sensible gamble. The odds of a car in front suffering a setback that both slows them enough that they would have been caught without the stop, but not enough that you can't catch them because you pitted, is incredibly slim. And it's worth risking those very long odds for the very decent chance of an extra point.

Pitting Max at the time was probably the right choice.
That's just it. I don't think the odds were that slim. We've seen these cars built/set-up to such rigid tolerances that if pushed similarly hard, should display the same symptoms more or less. Since Ham and Bot were pushing about the same pace, it was not all that unlikely that misfortune could befall Ham too. So I feel RB really screwed the pooch on this one...it was a risk well worth taking. It's not like that one point would've made the difference for a Max title. Think the Merc ship has already sailed too far out for that now.
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DoubleFart wrote: 3 years ago I assume Bottas did get the FL point?
No because he ended up having to fight with a defending Seb for 10th place. He failed to get either the FL or the final point.
Max ended up with it, followed by Albon Gasly, Lewis and then Bottas.(his FL set on lap 41, over 2 secs slower than Max.)
Seb only managed 15th fastest.

What the hell here is the FL table.

Driver Chassis Engine Time Gap Lap Average
1 Max VERSTAPPEN Red Bull Honda 1'27''097 52 243.494
2 Alexander ALBON Red Bull Honda 1'28''689 1.592 52 239.123
3 Pierre GASLY AlphaTauri Honda 1'29''063 1.966 52 238.119
4 Lewis HAMILTON Mercedes Mercedes 1'29''238 2.141 45 237.652
5 Valtteri BOTTAS Mercedes Mercedes 1'29''265 2.168 41 237.580
6 Daniel RICCIARDO Renault Renault 1'29''482 2.385 49 237.004
7 Esteban OCON Renault Renault 1'29''491 2.394 50 236.980
8 Romain GROSJEAN Haas Ferrari 1'29''782 2.685 49 236.212
9 Charles LECLERC Ferrari Ferrari 1'29''813 2.716 49 236.131
10 Carlos SAINZ McLaren Renault 1'29''948 2.851 47 235.776
11 Kimi RAIKKONEN Alfa Romeo Ferrari 1'29''973 2.876 49 235.711
12 Lando NORRIS McLaren Renault 1'30''059 2.962 41 235.486
13 Lance STROLL Racing Point BWT Mercedes 1'30''475 3.378 44 234.403
14 Nicholas LATIFI Williams Mercedes 1'30''501 3.404 44 234.336
15 Sebastian VETTEL Ferrari Ferrari 1'30''537 3.440 44 234.242
16 George RUSSELL Williams Mercedes 1'30''862 3.765 41 233.405
17 Antonio GIOVINAZZI Alfa Romeo Ferrari 1'30''977 3.880 49 233.109
18 Daniil KVYAT AlphaTauri Honda 1'32''443 5.346 11 229.413
19 Kevin MAGNUSSEN Haas Ferrari

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Might as well post the full race result as well.....

RACE RESULTS

POS NO DRIVER CAR LAPS TIME/RETIRED PTS
1 44 Lewis Hamilton MERCEDES 52 1:28:01.283 25
2 33 Max Verstappen RED BULL RACING HONDA 52 +5.856s 19
3 16 Charles Leclerc FERRARI 52 +18.474s 15
4 3 Daniel Ricciardo RENAULT 52 +19.650s 12
5 4 Lando Norris MCLAREN RENAULT 52 +22.277s 10
6 31 Esteban Ocon RENAULT 52 +26.937s 8
7 10 Pierre Gasly ALPHATAURI HONDA 52 +31.188s 6
8 23 Alexander Albon RED BULL RACING HONDA 52 +32.670s 4
9 18 Lance Stroll RACING POINT BWT MERCEDES 52 +37.311s 2
10 5 Sebastian Vettel FERRARI 52 +41.857s 1
11 77 Valtteri Bottas MERCEDES 52 +42.167s 0
12 63 George Russell WILLIAMS MERCEDES 52 +52.004s 0
13 55 Carlos Sainz MCLAREN RENAULT 52 +53.370s 0
14 99 Antonio Giovinazzi ALFA ROMEO RACING FERRARI 52 +54.205s 0
15 6 Nicholas Latifi WILLIAMS MERCEDES 52 +54.549s 0
16 8 Romain Grosjean HAAS FERRARI 52 +55.050s 0
17 7 Kimi Räikkönen ALFA ROMEO RACING FERRARI 51 +1 lap 0
NC 26 Daniil Kvyat ALPHATAURI HONDA 11 DNF 0
NC 20 Kevin Magnussen HAAS FERRARI 1 DNF 0
NC 27 Nico Hulkenberg RACING POINT BWT MERCEDES 0 DNS 0
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That was a wild finish.
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RE Hulkenberg DNS a Clutch bolt sheared, locking the engine.

Racing Point has confirmed a clutch bolt issue prevented the team from being able to fire up Nico Hulkenberg's engine, ruling him out of the Formula 1 British Grand Prix.
"It looks like a bolt sheared within the clutch housing," said team boss Otmar Szafnauer.

"And that bolt got caught and therefore wouldn't allow the internal combustion engine to turn over.

"So where the bolt fell off, it got jammed, and we couldn't turn the engine over.

"I think it's a bit early to understand why, but it did shear off so it could be a material issue, it could be an over-torque issue, I don't know.

"I'm sure all of those bolts are torqued to a certain specification, say the torque ratio isn't set right and you over-torque it, it could shear it.

"It could be a material issue in manufacturing, but until you look into all of those things - was the bolt brittle for example, I don't know - so we'll have to understand the root cause and make sure we fix it."

Re next week it seems Perez will not be able to drive.... the FIA have confirmed a ten day quarantine is compulsory, so even by being able to take the test of the original inconclusive test as the date quarantine started that was apparently Wednesday evening, which would mean he would still be unable to even be re-tested until late Saturday, after qualifying. If a driver does not take part in qualifying he cannot start the race. Another driver cannot qualify the car. So Perez would be unable to take part in qualy and for that reason unable to start the race.

Plus the F1 rules state that after a positive result the person has to undergo 2 clear tests with time between the two tests before being allowed out of quarantine. And then there is the question of how his body would be able to cope with the after effects of the virus on his body

Bottom line in Hulk will get another crack in Perez's car next weekend.

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Great news!! (ok not for Perez)
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Just as I was beginning to come around on Stroll he completely falters when asked to lead the team this weekend. After topping that practice session he drastically dropped down the pecking order during the weekend until his pace completely went off the cliff during the second half of the race. It'll be interesting to see if it was an off-weekend for the team in general or if there were any other issues plaguing Lance. Any comparisons with Hulkenberg are needless as he barely had any seat time during the weekend and DNS-ed the race.
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I wonder if Perez does a lot of the long run setup work, and Lance got it wrong?
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DoubleFart wrote: 3 years ago I wonder if Perez does a lot of the long run setup work, and Lance got it wrong?
Good point, that might well be the case. I wouldn't be surprised given Perez' experience. Besides, unless they've gotten a hold of Mercedes' notebook from the 2019 race they have to start from scratch too. :wink:
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A few bits and pieces re who did what:

• Lewis’s 7th Silverstone win sets for a new record for the most wins by a driver in their home event, passing Alain Prost's 6 in the French GP.

• The Mercedes star also set for a new record for most races led from start-to-finish, beating Ayrton Senna's 19.

• Hamilton's 87th career win puts him just 4 short of Michael Schumacher’s record, and only 1 short of Schumacher's 155 career podium finishes.

• Hamilton has won 3 of the first 4 races of a season - whenever he has done this before, he has always won the title (2014 and 2015).

• Max Verstappen gave Red Bull their 1st podium finish at Silverstone since 2016.

• For the 2nd race in a row, Hamilton and Verstappen finish 1-2.

• Danny Ric’s 4th place equaled his best-ever result with Renault - and gave the team their best result since returning as a constructor in 2016.

• Team mate Esteban Ocon in 6th ensured Renault of a total of 20 points today.

• It was also Renault’s best Silverstone result since winning the 2006 race. (At their Ops Directors Alan Permane's 500th GP since he joined the team in its Benetton days in 1989.)

• Ocon has finished 8th, 7th and 6th in consecutive Silverstone starts.

• McLaren’s Lando Norris finished in the top-5 for the 3rd time in 4 races.

• Red Bull’s Alex Albon and Racing Point’s Lance Stroll both scored their first-ever Silverstone points.

• Sebastian Vettel had never finished 10th in a Grand Prix until 2020 - he has now done so twice.

• By contrast, team mate Charles Leclerc took Ferrari's 2nd podium of the year, and finished 3rd at Silverstone for the 2nd year in a row.

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