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Deal to be announced today: https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/horn ... e/4387558/
Red Bull boss Christian Horner says the return of the Dutch Grand Prix to the Formula 1 calendar will be "immense", ahead of an expected announcement on Tuesday.

Following months of discussions between F1 chiefs and the Zandvoort circuit, it is understood that a deal to bring the Dutch event back to the calendar has been concluded.
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Yep, deal has been announced. The F*RMULA 1 channel has announced that F1 will be returning to Zandfoort :roll:
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So this will be like Vietnam, an additional race. I understand the 'Max fever' reasons, but beyond that.....

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Yep. Looks promising.

Plus they're shitting all over their own rules regarding minimum track width etc. Formula One's choice of tracks is merely a charade, dominated by politics and politics.

Still, I'd be happy to see Bore-celona cut out from the calendar.
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hollie3sa wrote: 4 years ago

Yep. Looks promising.

Plus they're shitting all over their own rules regarding minimum track width etc. Formula One's choice of tracks is merely a charade, dominated by politics and politics.

Still, I'd be happy to see Bore-celona cut out from the calendar.
As the comments say, they post a video of the circuit guide and then talk about one corner. It's basically Monaco without the armco.
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PTRACER wrote: 4 years ago
hollie3sa wrote: 4 years ago

Yep. Looks promising.

Plus they're shitting all over their own rules regarding minimum track width etc. Formula One's choice of tracks is merely a charade, dominated by politics and politics.

Still, I'd be happy to see Bore-celona cut out from the calendar.
As the comments say, they post a video of the circuit guide and then talk about one corner. It's basically Monaco without the armco.
Well, they also mentioned the 3 (three!) straights! :rockedover:
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And the drivers are already commenting on the difficulty to overtake there.
As an aside I was surprised to realise it is 35 years since Zandvoort last ran an F1 GP.

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Rose tinted specs time... in the past, the F1 calendar was comprised of races of various types of tracks which presented different challenges. There were the horsepower circuits, like Monza, Silverstone and Osterreichring, then there were the street tracks, like Monaco, Detroit / Phoenix and Adelaide, there were the mickey-mouse courses, like Hungaroring.... nowadays most circuits are cut and paste templates used by Tilke's organisation and are nothing but technical which feature "designed" overtaking places. Some of those tracks are good, most are not. All are soulless.

I know Zandvoort is not what it was 30+ years ago and the current configuration is around 20 years old, yet it represents something different to the norm in F1. I'll take that, even though we know we'll get a dull follow the leader race.
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In all the "hype" videos Max is driving a V8 spec RedBull and still can't get to top gear anywhere except the main straight. The track is way too small and the race there will be a complete parade behind a leader that no-one can overtake. Even qualifying will be a mess!

Maybe they can get Jarno Trulli out of retirement while they are at it? Sounds like the perfect place for him to hold up about 12 or 16 cars.
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XcraigX wrote: 4 years ago In all the "hype" videos Max is driving a V8 spec RedBull and still can't get to top gear anywhere except the main straight. The track is way too small and the race there will be a complete parade behind a leader that no-one can overtake. Even qualifying will be a mess!

Maybe they can get Jarno Trulli out of retirement while they are at it? Sounds like the perfect place for him to hold up about 12 or 16 cars.
Reminds me of when F1 went back to Kyalami on the revised circuit in 1992. Only in qualifying did some of the cars get into 6th gear.
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"Replace"? Really?

I'm glad Zandvoort is back. Challenging tracks > tracks that are built to making overtaking easy. If a track is actually challenging to the drivers, the racing will be good.

With that said, it will probably be slaughtered.
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kals wrote: 4 years ago Rose tinted specs time... in the past, the F1 calendar was comprised of races of various types of tracks which presented different challenges. There were the horsepower circuits, like Monza, Silverstone and Osterreichring, then there were the street tracks, like Monaco, Detroit / Phoenix and Adelaide, there were the mickey-mouse courses, like Hungaroring.... nowadays most circuits are cut and paste templates used by Tilke's organisation and are nothing but technical which feature "designed" overtaking places. Some of those tracks are good, most are not. All are soulless.

I know Zandvoort is not what it was 30+ years ago and the current configuration is around 20 years old, yet it represents something different to the norm in F1. I'll take that, even though we know we'll get a dull follow the leader race.
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Zandvoort had only one overtaking spot even with the old circuit. This should similar to Hungaroring. But on the other hand it beats the Tilkedromes even in its mutilated form and the walls are close so that's nice.
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Some good points made here.

It's funny how we had two Spainish GPs for a few years there when Alonso was in his pomp, yet now there will seemingly be zero. A Verstappen on the rise and the Dutch GP is back! I'm all for it and even though F1 has seemingly outgrown the circuit, so too was Paul Ricard and yet we had quite an entertaining race.
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Prefer to see one shit race replaced by a different shit race.

It's still shit, but the texture is slightly different, to hopefully help it go down easier.

That said, by 2021, we'll all be crying. That's when Detroit can come back.
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MonteCristo wrote: 4 years ago
That said, by 2021, we'll all be crying. That's when Detroit can come back.
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that would be insane!
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