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Post by John » 6 days ago

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Hardly. Stroll pinches Norris. There was enough space for two cars through that corner. Stroll turns into T2 as if no one is there.

I thought I heard Brundle say he thought Norris was enough alongside. Maybe I misheard him.
Nope, he blamed Norris alright. Stroll was 3/4 lenghts ahead. Right of way prevails. 100% Norris fault, it's not his corner by any means.
So you’re saying Stroll was entitled to turn into the corner regardless of where Norris was? It’s not as if Norris surprised Stroll, as the Racing Point driver was defending going into turn 1.

I’m not saying Norris was blameless, rather we disagree about Stroll’s involvement. Whether we agree or disagree, at least it’s given us something to discuss after a pretty dire race.
I think Stroll expected Norris to back up, while also he probably saw the chance to give him a bit of a squeeze. I stand by my view that Norris should have backed off, the corner exit would have been compromised and Stroll would have had him in the following sweeper.
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This season really has been garbage so far. One good race, Bahrain, and four duds.
Yep. And there’s still, 16 races of this left? :roll:
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Post by Vassago » 6 days ago

kals wrote:
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Hardly. Stroll pinches Norris. There was enough space for two cars through that corner. Stroll turns into T2 as if no one is there.

I thought I heard Brundle say he thought Norris was enough alongside. Maybe I misheard him.
Nope, he blamed Norris alright. Stroll was 3/4 lenghts ahead. Right of way prevails. 100% Norris fault, it's not his corner by any means.
So you’re saying Stroll was entitled to turn into the corner regardless of where Norris was? It’s not as if Norris surprised Stroll, as the Racing Point driver was defending going into turn 1.

I’m not saying Norris was blameless, rather we disagree about Stroll’s involvement. Whether we agree or disagree, at least it’s given us something to discuss after a pretty dire race.
Just look what Grosjean did while battling Magnussen. In the days of astro-turf racing there's a ton of space to go off track without damaging your car. Stroll & Norris are born & raised on the damn astro-turf. Norris should have known better. He clipped the rear wheel, totally his fault.
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Just look what Grosjean did while battling Magnussen. In the days of astro-turf racing there's a ton of space to go off track without damaging your car. Stroll & Norris are born & raised on the damn astro-turf. Norris should have known better. He clipped the rear wheel, totally his fault.
Grosjean and Magnussen happened much earlier through turn one. Not really comparable. Norris and Stroll clashed front wheel to rear wheel, which is a significant portion of car that Norris had alongside Stroll. If it had been Norris’ front wingtip hit Stroll then it would have been 100% on him. But it wasn’t, so it isn’t.
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I think Stroll expected Norris to back up, while also he probably saw the chance to give him a bit of a squeeze. I stand by my view that Norris should have backed off, the corner exit would have been compromised and Stroll would have had him in the following sweeper.
The first part I agree with, but it’s late in the race and Stroll was already on the defensive. So to assume or believe your combatant was going to freely yield is naive.

And if people are of the opinion Norris should have backed out to avoid an incident, then they should also be of the belief that Stroll should have left more room in turn two... to avoid the incident.

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Post by John » 6 days ago

Gahd, we're arguing about Stroll and Norris clashing in their battle for umpteenth position. This season is well and truly shite.
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Gahd, we're arguing about Stroll and Norris clashing in their battle for umpteenth position. This season is well and truly shite.
For the second time today....

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Post by Circuitmaster » 6 days ago

Bye-bye Catalunya. You will not be missed
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Gahd, we're arguing about Stroll and Norris clashing in their battle for umpteenth position. This season is well and truly shite.
I struggled to imagine how it could be worse than last season, but somehow it is.

Mercedes now take their 5th consecutive 1-2 finish. If they do so again in the next race (highly likely), then they will achieve a new world record since 5 consecutive 1-2s is the most any team have ever achieved.
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I blamed it 60/40 on stroll as well. Sky seemed to blame Norris.
I agree with this, 60/40. Anyway, stewards decision on the incident (where no penalty will be given) reflects our opinion:
"The stewards believe that the driver of car #4 could have backed out of the attempted overtake into Turn 2 and also that the driver of car #18 might have been more aware of the possibility that car #4 could be on his inside."
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Post by Vassago » 6 days ago

kals wrote:
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Just look what Grosjean did while battling Magnussen. In the days of astro-turf racing there's a ton of space to go off track without damaging your car. Stroll & Norris are born & raised on the damn astro-turf. Norris should have known better. He clipped the rear wheel, totally his fault.
Grosjean and Magnussen happened much earlier through turn one. Not really comparable. Norris and Stroll clashed front wheel to rear wheel, which is a significant portion of car that Norris had alongside Stroll. If it had been Norris’ front wingtip hit Stroll then it would have been 100% on him. But it wasn’t, so it isn’t.
It is comparable because that astro-turf & escape road in T1 is put there for a reason. Norris fault 100%.

However the track will be gone from F1 so we can enjoy the Zandvoort procession next year :haha:
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Mercedes now take their 5th consecutive 1-2 finish. If they do so again in the next race (highly likely), then they will achieve a new world record since 5 consecutive 1-2s is the most any team have ever achieved.
They already have the record for the most 1-2 finishes at the start of the season. Even they have not done that before, all previous runs of 5 were mid season.

Ferrari have dominated pre season testing here the last couple of years but have not managed a podium since 2017.

Max has continued his run of not finishing lower than he has started to 14 races..... since last season’s Hungarian Grand Prix. (When he started 7th but DNFd.)

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Post by kals » 6 days ago

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It is comparable because that astro-turf & escape road in T1 is put there for a reason. Norris fault 100%.

However the track will be gone from F1 so we can enjoy the Zandvoort procession next year :haha:
Thank goodness we don’t agree, otherwise Fastlane would be as dreary as the 2019 F1 season :haha:

Apparently Circuit de Catalunya are confident they will renew their agreement and host F1 in 2020. Urgh!

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Post by Picci » 6 days ago

I'm still waiting for the race to start. I just watched 66 formation laps.

This is arguably one of the most awful races since Indy 2005.

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Post by MonteCristo » 6 days ago

29 laps into the race currently.

Highlight - the wind is picking up.
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29 laps into the race currently.

Highlight - the wind is picking up.
Bear with it as the rain will come soon. It’s worth the wait.

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Post by MonteCristo » 5 days ago

I didn't post further because there were no further highlights.
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I didn't post further because there were no further highlights.
Saying 'there were no further highlights' suggests there were highlights earlier in the race. Did I miss something?

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