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Bottom post of the previous page:

Motorsportrace wrote: 5 years ago About Francis Gallardo: in the INA archives I've found a small TV report about his death.

They don't show images of the accident (just archive images of him during the Rallye Côte d'Ivoire).
They say he was the victim of an accident in Dordogne, and he died in the Périgueux Hospital.
They also mention a circuit, but I can't understand which one (it must have been in the Dordogne region).
Maybe it was a private testing accident?

The TV report was broadcasted on 28/03/1984, and they say "hier soir" (yesterday evening), so it happened in the evening of 27/03/1984.

I have the audio snippet, if you want it.

Maybe a French speaker can help us.
I'd like to give it a try, please.
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I'll post it later.
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Thank you.

I added several other deceased drivers, who were mentioned in Pilotos Muertos blogspot and who can be killed while racing, including Frenchmen who died in 1992; I have strong feeling that two of them can be drivers who were killed in May 1992 during Rallye de Dunkerque in one of nastiest racing accidents that I found:
Sedre wrote: 5 years ago Found this French newspaper with two pictures of pretty brutal fatal accident at 1992 Rallye de Dunkerque, where racing car crashed into gas pipeline which exploded after impact. Both drivers were killed and rally was stopped.

Warning - fatal crash

https://www.priceminister.com/offer/buy ... ootba.html

Warning - fatal crash

No MM.org entry. I'll try to found some information, at least, names of unfortunate crew.
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And here we go:
https://vocaroo.com/i/s0ScaLtPOU3x

If you can understand what circuit he mentions, well, tell me.
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Motorsportrace wrote: 5 years ago And here we go:
https://vocaroo.com/i/s0ScaLtPOU3x

If you can understand what circuit he mentions, well, tell me.
Rally Dordogne
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I mean: what he says at 00:15 (circuit du...?).
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Accident de la circulation - traffic accident.
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Haha, whoops. Should've read your previous posts. :blush:

Nothing with a circuit but "circulation"
https://defr.dict.cc/?s=circulation
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I'm not great speaker of French (knew only "Bonjour" and "Merde" about three years ago), so I'll still ask my friend to translate, but from what I heard and understood, Gallardo was seriously injured in traffic accident near Planfoy and died in Perigeux hospital.

Until that moment, Gallardo's status in list will be not changed.
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Right, that's probably correct.
Well, I should have paid more attention (I wanted to say I was not sure they mentioned a circuit, though it was similar to the word "circuit", but I didn't want to look like an idiot :blush: ).

So... it can be excluded from the database.
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@Sedre: This is close to what is said in the message. "plain fouet" means something like "with full force"

I'm gonna translate the full text tomorrow or on Wednesday. I think I can get it all together.
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Sedre wrote: 5 years ago Thank you.

I added several other deceased drivers, who were mentioned in Pilotos Muertos blogspot and who can be killed while racing, including Frenchmen who died in 1992; I have strong feeling that two of them can be drivers who were killed in May 1992 during Rallye de Dunkerque in one of nastiest racing accidents that I found:
Sedre wrote: 5 years ago Found this French newspaper with two pictures of pretty brutal fatal accident at 1992 Rallye de Dunkerque, where racing car crashed into gas pipeline which exploded after impact. Both drivers were killed and rally was stopped.

Warning - fatal crash

https://www.priceminister.com/offer/buy ... ootba.html

Warning - fatal crash

No MM.org entry. I'll try to found some information, at least, names of unfortunate crew.
I've found some reports on the accident, in the INA website, of course.
Their names should be "Laurent Thilliez" and "Georges Boulanger". I don't know who is what (driver/co-driver).
The names were written in the information box in the INA website.

EDIT: This website:
https://sites.google.com/site/bilsporth ... -1999/1992
Says one of the men was named "Bollengier". I don't know which is right.

And here are some screenshots.
They wouldn't be watermarked, had I done them a year ago.

https://images2.imgbox.com/1c/de/09stcrxI_o.png
https://images2.imgbox.com/4f/d4/b0I5ZlCF_o.png
https://images2.imgbox.com/2f/e8/hOBIGdBw_o.png
https://images2.imgbox.com/17/3b/Mb6vpfVw_o.png
https://images2.imgbox.com/0b/9b/bPxRBXID_o.png
https://images2.imgbox.com/03/ee/KYO403SF_o.png
https://images2.imgbox.com/7b/ac/jEvQdeiL_o.png
https://images2.imgbox.com/74/ba/HZu51sGv_o.png
https://images2.imgbox.com/0a/5a/H1q6tbVA_o.png
https://images2.imgbox.com/f7/39/gSbADQvk_o.png

They also say it was the driver's first rally event.

I'd really like to give you access to INA's archive (basically all the French TVs ever broadcasted, including news reports, races, programmes, etc.), but I fear they might see different IPs associated to my account.
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Motorsportrace wrote: 5 years ago
Sedre wrote: 5 years ago Thank you.

I added several other deceased drivers, who were mentioned in Pilotos Muertos blogspot and who can be killed while racing, including Frenchmen who died in 1992; I have strong feeling that two of them can be drivers who were killed in May 1992 during Rallye de Dunkerque in one of nastiest racing accidents that I found:
Sedre wrote: 5 years ago Found this French newspaper with two pictures of pretty brutal fatal accident at 1992 Rallye de Dunkerque, where racing car crashed into gas pipeline which exploded after impact. Both drivers were killed and rally was stopped.

Warning - fatal crash

https://www.priceminister.com/offer/buy ... ootba.html

Warning - fatal crash

No MM.org entry. I'll try to found some information, at least, names of unfortunate crew.
I've found some reports on the accident, in the INA website, of course.
Their names should be "Laurent Thilliez" and "Georges Boulanger". I don't know who is what (driver/co-driver).
The names were written in the information box in the INA website.

EDIT: This website:
https://sites.google.com/site/bilsporth ... -1999/1992
Says one of the men was named "Bollengier". I don't know which is right.

And here are some screenshots.
They wouldn't be watermarked, had I done them a year ago.

https://images2.imgbox.com/1c/de/09stcrxI_o.png
https://images2.imgbox.com/4f/d4/b0I5ZlCF_o.png
https://images2.imgbox.com/2f/e8/hOBIGdBw_o.png
https://images2.imgbox.com/17/3b/Mb6vpfVw_o.png
https://images2.imgbox.com/0b/9b/bPxRBXID_o.png
https://images2.imgbox.com/03/ee/KYO403SF_o.png
https://images2.imgbox.com/7b/ac/jEvQdeiL_o.png
https://images2.imgbox.com/74/ba/HZu51sGv_o.png
https://images2.imgbox.com/0a/5a/H1q6tbVA_o.png
https://images2.imgbox.com/f7/39/gSbADQvk_o.png

They also say it was the driver's first rally event.

I'd really like to give you access to INA's archive (basically all the French TVs ever broadcasted, including news reports, races, programmes, etc.), but I fear they might see different IPs associated to my account.
Thank you for information and pics.

It's likely that Bollengeir was driver, as Laurent Thilliez participated earlier as co-driver to Serge Herent and Jean-Christophe Pailleux: https://www.ewrc-results.com/coprofile/ ... -thilliez/

About INA's archive - it's better that only one of us will have access then we'll try to fool them and both would be banned for it.

Shame to me that I don't search Bilsporthistorie, they helped me in finding a couple of Scandinavian fatalities in 1970s. :oops:
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New update:

1. Added new entries
John Blaha (*23.07.1950 †22.08.1976, no MM entry)
Robert Culp (*27.07.1945 †28.07.1967, no MM entry)
Charles Anderson (*26.02.1902 †03.09.1932)
Theodore Perry (*04.04.1945 †12.03.1995, no MM entry)
Ken Studeman (†14.03.1964)
Eldon True (*19.08.1924 †25.07.1959, photo of accident was already found in forums)
Louis Willett (*??.??.1910 †01.09.1950)
Kenneth Sargent (*??.??.1938 †15.07.1995, no MM entry)
Leonard Powell (*??.??.1902 †31.10.1937, photo of accident was already found in forums)
Manfred Grau (†01.04.1973)
Huub Oude Wesselink (*18.08.1954 †14.05.1983)
Ralph Miller (*11.06.1926 †03.09.1972, photo of accident was already found in forums)
Roger Warren (*02.05.1933 †30.04.1955)
Derek McKechnie (*??.??.1951 †11.10.2010)
Andrew Frow (†12.08.2004, photo of accident published in "Race-related crashes")
Jay Gearhart (*11.12.1943 †09.05.1986)
Eddie Dean (*24.10.1926 †31.05.1948)
Johnny Stewart (*??.??.1905 †09.02.1935)
Lucio Rosso (†14.12.1936)
Jack Burton (*31.12.1905 †31.03.1940)

2. Corrections and new information in existed entries:
Added date of accident to Billy Anderson

3. New additions to list:
Georges Bollengier & Laurent Thilliez (thanks to @Motorsportrace for finding names)
Åke Thundberg
Loek Pinjappel

4. New additions to list of unconfirmed and possible fatalities:
Gavin Booth
Mario Bellino
Stefano Colleoni
Paolo Foresio

I have a question about several karting fatalities which happened during amauter races or circuits located in shopping malls or recreations parks: should we add them to list? I have some doubts about calling them "autosport fatal accidents", but maybe we should discuss about it.
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Sedre wrote: 5 years ago Georges Bollengier & Laurent Thilliez
INA says his surname was Boulanger, but I've seen that Bollengier also exists.
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Sedre wrote: 5 years ago I have a question about several karting fatalities which happened during amauter races or circuits located in shopping malls or recreations parks: should we add them to list? I have some doubts about calling them "autosport fatal accidents", but maybe we should discuss about it.
Karting accidents are generally added to motorsportmemorial.org given they happened during an official race.

http://www.motorsportmemorial.org/focus ... =ct&n=1571

http://www.motorsportmemorial.org/focus ... ct&n=10413



If you think that the fatalities fit the Criteria, they should be eligible.

http://motorsportmemorial.org/criteria.php?db=ct
and most importantly:
Additionally, by “practice of motorsport” it is understood the engagement – either active or passive - in some sort of competitive and officially sanctioned racing meeting, or in preparatory activities directed towards engagement in such racing meetings.
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