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Post by Everso Biggyballies » 1 month ago

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Very sad.

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Post by Antonov » 1 month ago

two questions:
- didn't there use to be a huge grandstand exiting turn 2 at the Daytona International Speedway?
- only realised it while playing NASCAR Heat 5 yesterday, but is it possible that the 'new' Phoenix has the S/F line on what used to be the backstraight?

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Antonov wrote:
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two questions:
- didn't there use to be a huge grandstand exiting turn 2 at the Daytona International Speedway?
- only realised it while playing NASCAR Heat 5 yesterday, but is it possible that the 'new' Phoenix has the S/F line on what used to be the backstraight?
#1- Yes there did use to be a grandstanding exiting turn 2, it was removed during the "Daytona Rising" renovations in 2015-16.

#2- Yes Phoenix S/F line was moved to what was the backstretch over the 2017 offseason, Atlanta Motor Speedway also did the same during 1997. Phoenix swap was done to improve racing while Atlanta was done due to major safety issues with the then backstretch, If you look up Ron Burchette ARCA 1996 Atlanta and Steve Grissom Winston Cup 1997 accidents you'll see why, but basically there was an odd shaped wall that would send cars flying back onto the track if hit at enough speed, and the old front stretch was rather narrow making it hard to avoid accidents.


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Post by Antonov » 1 month ago

thank you @acerogers58 ! I didn't know that about Atlanta.

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Post by Antonov » 1 month ago

it hurts to see that demolition.

anyone familiar with the NASCAR Trackpass?
http://www.trackpass.nascar.com/

apparently it allows live coverage for all races - I might be interested.

PS: 14 day free trial. Might be interesting for the Speedweeks.

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Post by Antonov » 1 month ago

apart from the Cup Series obviously being the premier class, what is the major difference between Cup and Xfinity?

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apart from the Cup Series obviously being the premier class, what is the major difference between Cup and Xfinity?
Difference Xfinity compared to Cup
  1. Wheelbase 5 inches shorter.
  • Less horsepower.
  • 100 pounds less weight.
  • Fuel delivery by carburetion instead of injection.
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Post by Antonov » 1 month ago

Thanks a lot, @erwin greven

Obviously Talladega and Daytona are the fastest tracks on the calendar, but what are some other tracks with high top speeds?

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Thanks a lot, @erwin greven

Obviously Talladega and Daytona are the fastest tracks on the calendar, but what are some other tracks with high top speeds?
Just googled it. Difference Xfinity and Cup...

Talladega and Daytona are not the fastest tracks. Because they are restrictor plate tracks. At some other tracks they reach 207/208 mph.
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Post by Vassago » 1 month ago

Atlanta Motor Speedway is still the fastest NASCAR track? Ahead of Texas Motor Speedway probably?
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Post by acerogers58 » 1 month ago

Hmm I wonder who the “Former Daytona 500 champion” would be, I’d think it’d be out of Trevor Bayne and Derrike Cope as I can’t see McMurray or Kenseth running in a backmarker car. Cope hasn’t run since 2018 but he might want to become the new Morgan Shepherd, who sadly last week was diagnosed with Parkinson’s disease.

If Derrike does indeed run, aged 62 he would be the second oldest driver to run in the Daytona 500, behind 66 year old Mark Thompson who finished 22nd in 2018.

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Post by Microsprinter18 » 1 month ago

The rumors were true, LaJoie to the #7 for Spire. Does this mean Tommy Baldwin will bring the #36 back if they return next year?
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Post by acerogers58 » 1 month ago

Like father, like son. (Randy Lajoie, 2001)

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Post by Antonov » 1 month ago

Hmmm, wasn't a fan of the paint scheme when I first saw it - but it's actually kind of cute. Will that be the 2021 livery?

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something else, so I get the scoring system right:
A) Points for final race result
1st - 40 points
2nd - 35 points
3rd - 34 points
4th - 33 points
[...]
35th - 2 points
36th - 1 point (also applicable to 37th, 38th, 39th and 40th position)
B) Stage points
1st - 10 points
2nd - 9 points
3rd - 8 points
[...]
10th - 1 point
- I assume there are 2 stages (this is always at 1/3 and 2/3 race distance?)
Play-offs:
- 5 points for the race-winner *
- one bonus point for the stage-winning driver *
- These points only build in the last 10 races of the season?
- There is no reset of these points when there is round of 16 -> round of 12 -> round of 8 ... ? (they carry over as long as the driver is in contention?)
* I assume this is only for a driver that qualified for the play-offs?


so these are not (longer) applicable?
- point(s) for leading a lap
- point(s) for leading most laps
- win = automatic qualification for the play-offs?

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Post by acerogers58 » 1 month ago

Antonov wrote:
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Hmmm, wasn't a fan of the paint scheme when I first saw it - but it's actually kind of cute. Will that be the 2021 livery?
Haha, that photo is actually of Corey’s father Randy in 2001, He ran #07 for most of his career but also ran #74 and then #7, should of clarified that. Randy won 15 races in the second tier series, now known as the Xfinity series along with 2 championships in 1996-97. He never really got a good crack at cup series level, although he ran 9 races for Hendrick Motorsports in 1998 as a fill in for Ricky Craven who was suffering from post-concussion syndrome.

As for the points system, basically after the first 26 races the drivers who have earned a win are given a large points boost to push them well clear of everyone else, along with the winless drivers with the most points. Then 4 are knocked out after the next 3 races, with the remaining 12 given another large points boost, and so on. Stage/Playoff points give drivers slight advantages, but can prove crucial if said driver fails to win in a series of 3 races.

It’s pretty confusing to be honest, and I wish they’d just go back to the pre 2004 method. Kevin Harvick would of won this year’s championship by 91 points had there not been a Chase/Playoffs method. He didn’t even qualify for the final 4 due to a couple of bad races late in the season.

An interesting little stat, Jeff Gordon would have 8 championships had the chase/playoffs not been implemented, He would of won the 2004, 2007 and 2014 championships under the old method, while Jimmie Johnson would only have 3, (2006, 2009, 2013). Carl Edwards would have 2 championships (2008,2011), and Kevin Harvick would have 4 (2010, 2015, 2016, 2020).

By far the biggest robbery via the playoffs method was Kyle Busch in 2015, he missed 11 races due to an injury at the start of the season but because of the win and in scenario, he got into the playoffs and took out the championship. He would of finished 20th in points, a fair effort after missing 11 races had there not been any sort of playoffs.

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Post by Antonov » 1 month ago

thanks @acerogers58

so a win does automatically qualify you for the play-offs?

how many drivers are eligible for the play-off when it starts?

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also, with the stage thing: it is possible in theory that the winning driver takes home less points than the 16th place finisher?

-> driver A wins 2 stages (= 2x 10 points), but ends in 16th place (= 21 points) -> total 41 points
-> driver B is outside the top 10 in the stages, but wins -> total 40 points

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