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The 2020 Indy Lights season has been cancelled. The series has been on death row for some time now, but it's a bummer for the drivers. IndyCar needs to take a good, hard look at their ladder system.
Probably a similar deal to elsewhere in the world. Just too many series around catering to the same level.

I mean, what's the point of the F3 Americas series and Indy Lights both existing?

Same question over F4 USA and the two F2000 series?
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Post by Cheeveer » 1 month ago

MonteCristo wrote:
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John wrote:
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The 2020 Indy Lights season has been cancelled. The series has been on death row for some time now, but it's a bummer for the drivers. IndyCar needs to take a good, hard look at their ladder system.
Probably a similar deal to elsewhere in the world. Just too many series around catering to the same level.

I mean, what's the point of the F3 Americas series and Indy Lights both existing?

Same question over F4 USA and the two F2000 series?
Well, considering the drivers that progressed through Road to Indy, it does work quite well. BUT, Lights just needs more cars. That is the only problem really. More cars. Then it would be ace.

The step in horsepower between F3 and Lights is quite big, so there needs to be something between F3/Indy Pro 2000 and Indycar.
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Post by MonteCristo » 1 month ago

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MonteCristo wrote:
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John wrote:
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The 2020 Indy Lights season has been cancelled. The series has been on death row for some time now, but it's a bummer for the drivers. IndyCar needs to take a good, hard look at their ladder system.
Probably a similar deal to elsewhere in the world. Just too many series around catering to the same level.

I mean, what's the point of the F3 Americas series and Indy Lights both existing?

Same question over F4 USA and the two F2000 series?
Well, considering the drivers that progressed through Road to Indy, it does work quite well. BUT, Lights just needs more cars. That is the only problem really. More cars. Then it would be ace.

The step in horsepower between F3 and Lights is quite big, so there needs to be something between F3/Indy Pro 2000 and Indycar.
For sure.

But clearly there isn't enough either driver interest, or sponsor interest, for more cars. The interest/money is being diluted instead.

It's a similar story in Australia. There used to be F4000 and F3 here - but they diluted each other. F4000 died, and F3 got stronger. But now there is an F4 series in addition to F3, and numbers are down again. Not enough going around to support two series - doesn't matter how powerful one car is compared to the other if they cannibalise each other because they cater to the same core market.

Like I said, too many series. What exactly does the F3/F4 stream feed into? Sports cars? Aren't there tin top feeder sports cars series?

Indycar needs to sit down with SCCA.
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Post by John » 1 month ago

MonteCristo wrote:
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John wrote:
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The 2020 Indy Lights season has been cancelled. The series has been on death row for some time now, but it's a bummer for the drivers. IndyCar needs to take a good, hard look at their ladder system.
Probably a similar deal to elsewhere in the world. Just too many series around catering to the same level.

I mean, what's the point of the F3 Americas series and Indy Lights both existing?

Same question over F4 USA and the two F2000 series?
Plus Lights are so damn expensive. Andretti has pretty much been keeping that series afloat for the past couple of seasons.
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jimclark wrote:
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How many rungs does a ladder have to have to still be classified as a ladder? :wink:
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Post by jimclark » 1 month ago

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Indycar needs to sit down with SCCA.
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Post by theracer120 » 4 weeks ago

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It's a similar story in Australia. There used to be F4000 and F3 here - but they diluted each other. F4000 died, and F3 got stronger. But now there is an F4 series in addition to F3, and numbers are down again. Not enough going around to support two series - doesn't matter how powerful one car is compared to the other if they cannibalise each other because they cater to the same core market.
CAMS/MAUS actually killed F4 last year. I think F3 is technically still extant but it's basically a glorified club series at this point. Formula Ford is the only strong national lower series now, which is ironic since CAMS tried very hard to kill it to get F4 going.

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Post by MonteCristo » 4 weeks ago

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MonteCristo wrote:
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It's a similar story in Australia. There used to be F4000 and F3 here - but they diluted each other. F4000 died, and F3 got stronger. But now there is an F4 series in addition to F3, and numbers are down again. Not enough going around to support two series - doesn't matter how powerful one car is compared to the other if they cannibalise each other because they cater to the same core market.
CAMS/MAUS actually killed F4 last year. I think F3 is technically still extant but it's basically a glorified club series at this point. Formula Ford is the only strong national lower series now, which is ironic since CAMS tried very hard to kill it to get F4 going.
Oh that's good news, thanks for that. Hopefully F3 stays alive at this point and then recovers over the next few years.
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Post by MonteCristo » 4 weeks ago

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Given the crazy rumours around F1 teams at the moment, has anyone heard of any Indy teams in trouble?
Carlin: https://racer.com/2020/06/02/carlin-no- ... as-opener/

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Post by Ian-S » 4 weeks ago

MonteCristo wrote:
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MonteCristo wrote:
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Given the crazy rumours around F1 teams at the moment, has anyone heard of any Indy teams in trouble?
Carlin: https://racer.com/2020/06/02/carlin-no- ... as-opener/

Down to one car for Texas.
To be fair that's probably more to do with Graham being ousted at Gallagher than it does Covid.
(Can't sponsor your sons Motorsport efforts when you're no longer calling the shots at the company).

You can probably predict what will happen, see Arena Motorsport for historical reference.
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https://racer.com/2020/06/04/indycars-m ... tening-up/
IndyCar's manufacturer war tightening up
Got to say that I disagree with Marshall Pruett on this one.

McLaren moving over to Chevy would be fine if Askew wasn't a total rookie and probably not all that great (watch me get proven wrong now), and O'Ward is talented but also essentially a rookie.

Ed Carpenter Racing? It's the same old Ed Carpenter, and Conor Daly isn't going to have much momentum behind him with the team. Rinus VeeKay is another rookie, and hard to judge but he's not going to set the world alight, surely.

A.J. Foyt Racing? That's a lol. Seabass is a fine driver, but only getting old (see last year). Kimball isn't useless, but he's not too far off it. Kanaan is useless.

Carlin Racing is struggling. Daly will struggle as a result.

DragonSpeed may or may not turn up, same with Dreyer & Reinbold.
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Post by John » 3 weeks ago

Chevy (=Ilmor = Penske) don't really care as long as Penske delivers the goods.

Anyway,

https://the-race.com/indycar/ferrari-ha ... ns-penske/

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Post by John » 3 weeks ago

Plenty of smoke at the moment, so there has to be a fire somewhere.
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Post by jimclark » 3 weeks ago

Still sounds very familiar....and I'm still waitin' on that red Dallara bargaining tool, also, to stir the pot.
My anticipation is oh-so mounting...... :omg: .....at about the same speed as Carly's Heinz. :roll:

As in 35 years ago, we'll hafta' wait and see.....or not..... :whistling:

Sure ain't bankin' on it (engines? Yeah, sure; but twelves? No way, so what would be the excitement? 'Love to eat my words on that one.).
Matter of fact, who's taking the bets.....? If mandated Dallara/spec/kit chassis remain, I'm in for non-entry from the Scuderia for a hunnerd'....... :wink:
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Post by jimclark » 3 weeks ago

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Plenty of smoke at the moment, so there has to be a fire somewhere.
Smoke? What smoke??? I just see two sticks rubbed together, with little vigor. At least, 35 years ago, they produced a real "threat", the 671.

Where's the red Dallara? like I said, engine supplier? I'd buy. Team entry with spec car? Uh-uhh.
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