2020 banter & Silly season thread for MotoGP, Moto2 and Moto3

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Re: 2020 banter & Silly season thread for MotoGP, Moto2 and Moto3

Post by John » 1 month ago

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That was a brilliant win and a good race.

Now I need Mat Oxley to explain to me why the fuck this race turned out the way it did.

Also Zarco dinn'du'nuthin wrong.
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Post by Cheeveer » 1 month ago

First non Japanese/Italian bike to win since König with Kim Newcombe at Opatija, Yugoslavia in 1973. This is him at Silverstone that year.

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Post by SB83 » 1 month ago

I didn't even know of this long lap penalty before today. Was it recently introduced? Anyway, ridiculous penalty when Pol pretty much threw himself at Zarco like @John said.

Always great to see a new face on the top step of the podium. I never thought KTM would win a race this quickly.

Vinales though, yeesh...that's no way to go about winning a title.

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I didn't even know of this long lap penalty before today. Was it recently introduced?
Completely threw me when it came up on screen. Never heard of it either.

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Post by Cheeveer » 1 month ago

Everso Biggyballies wrote:
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I didn't even know of this long lap penalty before today. Was it recently introduced?
Completely threw me when it came up on screen. Never heard of it either.
It was introduced last year, obviously. https://www.motogp.com/en/news/2019/03/ ... ced/284714

Which means it has not been used much, which is a good sign.

That said, Zarco handled it beautifully!
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Post by John » 1 month ago

Long lap penalties came around in order to find a less harsh way of penalizing riders than issuing a ride through. For instance you get the long-lap penalty after two track-limits infractions. Which is a lot better than a 35 second drive through in a race that's 40 minutes long without pit stops.
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Long lap penalties came around in order to find a less harsh way of penalizing riders than issuing a ride through. For instance you get the long-lap penalty after two track-limits infractions. Which is a lot better than a 35 second drive through in a race that's 40 minutes long without pit stops.
Yea, drive-throughs were insanely punishing and you might as well have just parked it. This is way better but I'm surprised they didn't just think of using a time penalty ala F1...

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Post by John » 1 month ago

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Long lap penalties came around in order to find a less harsh way of penalizing riders than issuing a ride through. For instance you get the long-lap penalty after two track-limits infractions. Which is a lot better than a 35 second drive through in a race that's 40 minutes long without pit stops.
Yea, drive-throughs were insanely punishing and you might as well have just parked it. This is way better but I'm surprised they didn't just think of using a time penalty ala F1...
DORNA wants the official results to mirror the on-track results, not having the rider second over the line finish 7th because of an "invisible" five-second penalty. Plus in Moto3 that could drop you from 2nd to 27th. :haha:

The long-lap penalty at least allows riders to fight back to "nullify" the penalty, like today.
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Post by Everso Biggyballies » 1 month ago

I have to say I quite like the idea.

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SB83 wrote:
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John wrote:
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Long lap penalties came around in order to find a less harsh way of penalizing riders than issuing a ride through. For instance you get the long-lap penalty after two track-limits infractions. Which is a lot better than a 35 second drive through in a race that's 40 minutes long without pit stops.
Yea, drive-throughs were insanely punishing and you might as well have just parked it. This is way better but I'm surprised they didn't just think of using a time penalty ala F1...
DORNA wants the official results to mirror the on-track results, not having the rider second over the line finish 7th because of an "invisible" five-second penalty. Plus in Moto3 that could drop you from 2nd to 27th. :haha:

The long-lap penalty at least allows riders to fight back to "nullify" the penalty, like today.
Yea, I agree this is the best solution but I was just curious why they didn't simply resort to a time penalty, and that's a fair explanation what Dorna was trying to do. It must be weird for casual fans to see someone who fought a battle to finish in say 4th, was actually a non-factor because his time penalty would've put him behind that battle pack so why was he even involved. This way (with the long-lap) it's more transparent and even a bit skill-based, sort of like the 'joker lap' in rallycross.

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Post by MonteCristo » 1 month ago

I'm glad it wasn't just me... It was mentioned in one of the Jerez races or sessions and I had a WTF moment and had to look it up.

I don't mind it as well. F1 could easily adopt it on their supermarket carpark tracks with hectares of runoff.
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Post by Everso Biggyballies » 1 month ago

F1 would turn it into a nightmare.... driver X (the Grosjean word jumped from my keyboard autofill!) goes and gets a track limits violation for ove-running into the run off area, and when given a 'long lap' punishment says he already served the long lap with his original run off! :mrgreen:

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Post by Everso Biggyballies » 1 month ago

Just watching Moto GP practice in Austria and noticed that Bradl is still in for Marquez who is clearly out for another weekend with his injury.

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Post by DoubleFart » 1 month ago

Title is still there for Marq. He won by 150 points last year and I think 70 odd the year before.
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Post by Everso Biggyballies » 1 month ago

KTM on a roll here....after their win with Binder last weekend, Pol Espargaro was fastest in FP1 at their home event in Austria.
No works Yamahas in the top 10.
Only P1 though. They are suggesting it will rain for much of the weekend, certainly today and tomorrow, but P1 was dry.

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Post by Andy » 1 month ago

Chances of rain raise with every minute. On this circuit, I wish them good luck
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