Some of the pics are new, but most have already been posted. You may wish to go through them all, once again. The photos in our current topics in IDing may eventually go to this place, and the ambition is to keep the IDing section under one page's worth of content. I'd personally REALLY APPRECIATE no more batch requests. One pic or video, one topic. OK? It's like a Gordian Knot sometimes, you see.
The following list has some overlaps, but I created the sections before realising quite how many pics there actually were.
If you have any photos for the vacant slots, and you don't wish to try them first in the IDing section (which by all means do), you can send them to me, and they'll go directly on here. I'll make sure the IDing section never reaches the size it used to have, as it's been a total death march, putting this list together...
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Table of contents (segments/jump-to links):
Segment number zero-A: USA vintage: [This post, scroll down]
Segment number zero-B: USA vintage and modern 1: viewtopic.php?f=42&t=15449&p=333311&hil ... +B#p333311
Segment number one: South and Central America, including Cuba: viewtopic.php?f=42&t=15449&p=333538&hil ... ba#p333538
Segment number two: UK and Ireland: viewtopic.php?f=42&t=15449&p=333540&hil ... ed#p333540
Segment number three: Australia and New Zealand: viewtopic.php?f=42&t=15449&p=333541&hil ... nd#p333541
Segment number four: Germany and Austria: viewtopic.php?f=42&t=15449&p=333546&hil ... 3A#p333546
Segment number five: Italy: viewtopic.php?f=42&t=15449&p=333556&hil ... 3A#p333556
Segment number six: Holland: viewtopic.php?f=42&t=15449&p=333560&hil ... 3A#p333560
Segment number seven: France and Belgium: viewtopic.php?f=42&t=15449&p=333568&hil ... um#p333568
Segment number eight: Spain and Portugal: viewtopic.php?f=42&t=15449&p=333576&hil ... al#p333576
Segment number nine: Africa: viewtopic.php?f=42&t=15449&p=333611&hil ... 3A#p333611
Segment number ten: Asia: viewtopic.php?f=42&t=15449&p=333612&hil ... 3A#p333612
Segment number eleven: Eastern Europe: viewtopic.php?f=42&t=15449&p=333616&hil ... pe#p333616
Segment number twelve: Scandinavia: viewtopic.php?f=42&t=15449&p=333631&hil ... 3A#p333631
Segment number thirteen: USA and Canada modern: viewtopic.php?f=42&t=15449&p=333867&hil ... rn#p333867
Segment number fourteen: Unknown: viewtopic.php?f=42&t=15449&p=333868&hil ... 3A#p333868
Segment number fifteen: USA vintage and modern 2: viewtopic.php?f=42&t=15449&p=352065&hil ... 3A#p352065
Segment number sixteen: South and Central America, Pt. 2: viewtopic.php?f=42&t=15449&p=362784&hil ... al#p362784
Stats page: viewtopic.php?f=7&t=15449&p=364988#p364988
Vintage is defined as everything pre-1970. Modern is 1970 and on.
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Segment number zero-A (USA vintage): #1-#100.
List of images (crashes: 15; wrecks: 58; aftermaths: 16; other/fire/unknown: 10; total pics: 130; different situations: 99):
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#1:
Unknown driver of car #60 at Aurora Speed Bowl, 1930s, click to enlarge:
Hasn't been posted before.
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#2: Unknown stock car crash sequence (4) dated 14 March 1967, click to enlarge:
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#3:
19?? Wreck, Overland Park, Denver, Colorado, circa 1910-20, click to enlarge:
Possibly: http://www.motorsportmemorial.org/focus ... =ct&n=4067
---On the 20th lap a tire of Willie Felker's Stevens-Duryea 6 broke before the grandstand and the machine crashed into a fence, throwing Felker down an embankment and against a post.
#4:
Pre-WWI #5 Wrecked In Fence, Avon, Rochester, USA. Click to enlarge:
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#5:
c1910 US Fatal #3 Race Wreck, click to enlarge:
This is the $8,000. racer that turned turtle the first day of the races & killed the driver. His machinist [sic] in the car was not with him when the accident happened. They boarded with us. His neck was broken
Jesper Hvid wrote:http://www.motorsportmemorial.org/focus ... =ct&n=9171 <--- possibly
---Jesper Hvid wrote:http://texashistory.unt.edu/ark:/67531/ ... 6783/m1/1/ <--- no, the mech was with him at the time, and also seriously injured.
#6: Unknown #2 sprintcar crash sequence (3), dated 11 April 1967, click to enlarge:
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#7
Are they all the same?
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#8
Pre-WW1 US Dirt Track #7 Wreck, click to enlarge:
insert convo
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#9:
1950s Unknown Wreck, click to enlarge
insert comments.
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#10:
1950s #1 Stock Car Wreck In Grandstand, Bill ???, click to enlarge:
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#11: 1953 Soldier Field aftermath stock car race in July. Click to enlarge:
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#12:
1930s Oakland Midget Wreck, click to enlarge:
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#13:
Pre-WW2 US Dirt Track Accident
A much better version of the #13 pic, where you can see the emblem on the hood of the car, and other details. I think this is Langhorne, and in the 1930s. Judging by the proportions of things in the photo, I'd say this is an indy car, aka big car. Click to enlarge:
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#14:
Pre-WW2 US Dirt Track Accident
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#15:
Pre-WW2 US Dirt Track Accident
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#16:
Pre-WW2 US Dirt Track Accident
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#17:
Pre-WW2 US Dirt Track wreck (2):
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#18:
1938 Hammond wreck, not Mendenhall. Not McGurk/Opalko, either (that was Indy). Click to enlarge:
Hannibal was the photographer.Jesper Hvid wrote: ↑8 years ago"A. Hannibal, 1938, Indianapolis Motor Speedway". No driver at that name at champcarstats, not does it appear to have been a fatal accident. The IMS is probably wrong, I still think this is more likely to be at Hammond. Doesn't help much, but it's something to go by.
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#19: 1950s or 1960s New England race track #20 "Sterlino" mod. stock car wreck in the grandstands, click to enlarge:
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#20:
1936 stock car aftermath at Southern Ascot Speedway, click to enlarge:
Hasn't been posted before.
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#21:
1947 Bad wreck at El Mirage, click to enlarge:
Possible ID:
---Sedre wrote:While MM.org didn't have this page, there was fatal accident at El Mirage in 1947 with Nicholas Schlegel. Maybe it's his fatal accident, but I'm not sure about it. Accident happened on 18 May 1947.
#22:
193x(?) (Lloyd?) Vieaux #5 or #6 Wreck possibly the fatal crash at Lakewood: http://www.motorsportmemorial.org/focus ... =ct&n=4801
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#23:
#8 wreck, US dirt track, old.
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#24:
1955 #18 D-type Jaguar SCCA wreck at Thompson, was the info. Click to enlarge:
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#25: 1969, from the movie Pitstop, USA. Stunt or actual race footage used? Counts as "other":
Whole movie:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pit_Stop_(1969_film)
#148 car being hit by other car during racing scene, it is probably a real crash from one of the venues mentioned in the endcredits.
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#26:
1920s Or Earlier, #4 Wreck, North Platte, Nebraska. Click to enlarge.
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#27:
Pre WW1 American Dirt Track Race Crash, click to enlarge:
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#28:
Pre WW1 American Dirt Track Race Wreck, click to enlarge:
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#29:
Pre WW1 American Dirt Track Race #9 Wreck, click to enlarge:
pauls comments
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#30:
Fire in car at dirt track. Click to enlarge:
This has not been posted before.
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#31:
1950s(?) Unknown Fire, US Dirt Track. Not sure it's the driver to the right, in a heap, but I don't reckon it is. Possibly, it's also older than the 50s, I don't have any further info. Actually, it looks more like it's the stuff behind the car that's burning, and not the car itself. Maybe there are two cars. Click to enlarge:
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#32:
Unknown wreck of car #1.
This has not been posted before.
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#33:
Aftermath of stock car accident. Click to enlarge:
This has not been posted before.
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#34: 1 VIR wreck I appear to have neglected to post, and the reason is I probably didn't make the ID. With racingsportscars' archive there is a chance. I'll see if I can do it, else it goes to the Graveyard section.
#43EP MGA?
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#35:
Unknown wreck with #H-3 in background, looks like Bob Carey's fatal wreck but isn't it. Click to enlarge:
This has not been posted before.
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#36:
Aftermath of car crashed in outside fence, click to enlarge:
This has not been posted before.
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#37:
Aftermath of another car crashed in outside fence, click to enlarge:
This has not been posted before.
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#38:
#3 midget wreck, night race, maybe driver in pic:
This has not been posted before.
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#39:
Unknown #75 modified stock car into billboards, click to enlarge:
This has not been posted before.
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#40:
Unknown wreck of what looks like an LSR-car like e.g. the Sunbeam, click to enlarge:
This has not been posted before.
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#41:
Unknown dirt track crash, click to enlarge:
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#42:
Unknown midget wreck, AAA-era. Click to enlarge:
+ comments.
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#43:
Single-seater, with excludes Indy (as does other details). It isn't one of the board tracks. A sideways tumble like that which he's about to take could have been fatal, for all I know. He must have spun rather spectacularly to get into that situation.
Big Car, aka champcar.
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#44:
Looks like Frank McGurk/Eddie Opalko, but it's not. Click to enlarge:
This has not been posted before.
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#45:
Says "Pitman Brash 51 6 Cars", no idea. Maybe a 1951 6-car accident, midgets probably, night race, 1940s or 1950s, click to enlarge:
This has not been posted before.
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#46:
Badly wrecked #54 modified stock car, click to enlarge:
This has not been posted before.
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#47:
Unknown aftermath of stock car #77 and 1 other car, it had the name "Washington" - either place or person, click to enlarge:
Found on this website: http://autohobbies.com/waroadsters2 That page had crash photos, but is now gone. I must have saved the good ones.
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#48:
Unknown rolling stock car, click to enlarge:
This has not been posted before.
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#49:
#12 wreck from Yakima, Washington:
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#50:
A sample from the website thevintageracer.com which may not exist anymore, the links are dead. One photo was preserved, #69 coupé crash:
http://www.thevintageracer.com/vintage_coupes_1.htm
http://www.thevintageracer.com/more_vin ... upes_1.htm
http://www.thevintageracer.com/smvc_001.htm
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#51:
Pennsylvania (Allentown, probably?), driver/year unknown, it's an openwheeler, may have been a bad one. Borderline between aftermath situation and wreck, it counts as aftermath:
---Came across it again, and found this:
" [...] The following is a photo diary of Harley Marsh's sprintcar racing in the Eastern States Racing Associations 1946 thru 1948 racing season. [...] "
This puts the crash in the immediate post war period of 1946-8, which rules out the fatal sprintcar crash of "Bronco Bill" Schindler, who died there in 1952. According to www.motorsportmemorial.org, there was only ever one more fatality there (Johnny Thompson, also in a sprintcar, in 1960), so we can safely assume that this was a non-fatal accident, even though it does look pretty bad...
#52:
Unknown possibly #76 wreck at Yakima, WA.:
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#53:
Unknown wreck amongst the infield weeds at Washington Speedbowl, PA.:
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#54:
From the Chet Wilson photo gallery, wreck of #W25 streched midget after a crash, probably during the 60s:
Check out the (non-crash related) slides: http://www.chet-wilson.com/pages/CRASHS~1.html <--- website is gone.
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#55:
Charming American vintage #4 wreck pic, click to enlarge:
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#56: #28 stock car flip, Kenny?-something. American track, night race, I'd say the 1950s. Other driver #531 Duke Southern. Great action shot. Click to enlarge:
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#57:
Aftermath of overturned midget race, night race or inside closed stadium, click to enlarge:
This has not been posted before.
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#58:
Wreck scene of dirt car accident, 6 small pics, one of them shows the number 2 on the car, click to enlarge:
This has not been posted before.
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#59: #100 stock car fire/aftermath, in 1950 at Islip Speedway, counts as aftermath, click to enlarge:
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#60:
1932 aftermath, at Culver City. Click to enlarge:
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#61:
Mirrored image of #55 and #1?, unknown, click to enlarge:
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#62:
#3½ Ford Jazz wreck. Click to enlarge:
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#63:
Pre-WW2 US Openwheeler #9 Wreck, Probably dirt track, there is a broken board to the right, where the car went off. No apparent damage to the car other than a bent wotsit, I reckon he escaped uninjured. Midget?
Looking closer at it, it looks like a #19. NOTE.
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#64:
Early American Wreck Pic Car #5 Possibly Fatal. Click to enlarge:
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#65: Old Indy wreck, 1920s?, no larger version was available.
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#66:
1958 Healey wreck at Thompson, probably SCCA, Massachusetts license plate? Click to enlarge:
This has not been posted before.
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#67:
#233 Healey in some sort of situation, perhaps at Sebring. Image appeared in Road And Track 2003 November issue, click to enlarge:
This has not been posted before.
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#68:
1920-30s(?) Overturned Car, Kansas(?) Race Track. Click to enlarge.
From here: http://kansasracinghistory.com/identify.htm
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#69:
Pic taken by photographer Russ Reed, seems a bit staged, but he was a bona fide race photographer:
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#70:
Aftermath of 1940s USA #59 Dirt Track crash, calif. Sprint or Midget Car.
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#71:
1965 #1 Corvette Aftermath, Texas. Click to enlarge (2). Title info found with pics, except car # which I think I can make out on the door of the second pic. Not "shelby stripes", but one blue one, on silver livery background, and driver wears a silver helmet:
---Manfred Cubenoggin wrote: ↑6 years agoThe 'vette looks like a Grand Sport model or possibly, a look-alike knockoff. Note the extra scoops and fender flares. As for an ID, not a clue. In the 2nd pix, I do note the young lad with a Cobra T-shirt at the fence line. I had one of those back in the day!
#72:
Dragster aftermath from IDing topic, no info at all, click to enlarge:
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#73:
1939? Indy 500 Car #12 or #42 Incident/Retirement? 2 pics, category: other. Click to enlarge:
Apparently not a crash, and probably not race. The year would have come with the pics, I cannot remember where I found them. Didn't post them, as I don't believe they show the aftermath of a crash. Seems a shame not to at least try to work out what they show, as they are kind of cool pics. #12 or #42 never ran that year:
http://www.champcarstats.com/races/193901.htm
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#74:
1920s Red Crown Gasoline Spl. Wreck USA Track, 2 angles, click to enlarge:
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#75:
#57 infield wreck, click to enlarge:
---The first one I feel certain is from California, maybe Banning - will look into my records whether I can find a match when at home. The same goes for the next three, all from Ascot if I'm not mistaken; maybe the 6th one as well. The last one shows a Mercer, not a "Merger" Let's see what I can find.
#76:
1940s #46 StockCar Wreck Plank Thru Windscreen Driver's Side At least one driver was killed in this manner, but I can't recall who/when/where, but this may be it. YES read
paul's comments
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#77: 1930s Langhorne stunt 1, listed as other:
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#78: 1930s Langhorne stunt 2, listed as other:
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#79: 1930s Langhorne stunt 3, listed as other:
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#80:
#4 "MERCER" wreck. Click to enlarge:
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#81:
1920s "Bo" Amos' Wreck, Syracuse? Click to enlarge:
Jesper Hvid wrote: ↑6 years agoAll info in topic title uncertain. Pic found here: http://www.mtfca.com/discus/messages/25 ... 1331402874
---The only crash I have for Bo in my records, as it is, was September 1921 at Syracuse. However, there's nothing in this photo that makes me confident that it is this one. In fact, I rather don't think it is!
#82:
1966 September, #14Z or #142 Corvette Stingray wreck, click to enlarge:
This has not been posted before.
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#83:
1953 or 1954 #2 Jaguar wreck at Thompson, probably club race, 2 pics, click to enlarge:
This has not been posted before.
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#84:
Incident at 1940s midget race involving Frank "Satan" Brewer, listed as "other", click to enlarge:
This has not been posted before.
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#85:
1936 (said so where found) #25 US Midget Crash:
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#86:
Wrecked #51 MG at Califonian track, CSCC-race, click to enlarge, maybe later than 1969:
This has not been posted before.
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#87:
Wrecked, Probably Burnt Sports Car, circa 1940s, Probably US, doubtful if it is a race crash, though.
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#88:
1960s (no earlier) #F2(?) US Stock Car Crash, West Palm Beach, click to enlarge:
+ comments
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#89:
1950s(?) #22 Mod. Stock Car, Impaled Radiator, Nazareth, Pa. Click to enlarge:
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#90:
1946? #33? Bill Holland? at Flemington?. Click to enlarge:
Could have been a serious accident. Can't see enough of the car to determine whether it's a sprintcar or a "big car". There's a double-digit car number which looks like 33. The rest of the information where found is in the topic title, but I can't verify any of it, really.
http://www.champcarstats.com/year/1946.htm
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#91:
1947 #1 midget crash possibly at the big Soldier Field stadium, click to enlarge:
+comments
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#92: Aftermath of URC sprintcar accident in 1960 at Rutland, car has spun or rolled, perhaps it didn't cause retirement, pic was used to illustrate something else. Click to enlarge:
Sep 10, 1960, and a URC race - the only Sprint car race in Rutland bet
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#93: #8 wreck, Toledo, Ohio, in the 1910s. Amazing pic. Click to enlarge.
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#94:
1926 #5 Openwheeler Aftermath Minnesota Dirt Track, not the fair, click to enlarge:
+comments.
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#95: Vacant.
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#96:
Looks a little bit like Ray Keech.1920s #5 U.S. Dirt/Board Track Wreck Driver's Initials "LL"? Staged? Actor? It counts as a wreck. Click to enlarge:
+ comments.
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#97:
1968 Riverside Sportscar Wreck, Cobra? Aftermath. Year, venue and brand info was found along with the item on eBay.
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#98: 1969, from the movie Pitstop, USA. Stunt or actual race footage used? Counts as "other":
Whole movie:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pit_Stop_(1969_film)
Crash of the #666 and #700/#790 stock cars during night racing scene, probably a real racing accident from one of the venues mentioned in the endcredits.
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#99:
Pre-WW2 USA #57 Openwheeler Wreck - Possibly Fatal. Click to enlarge:
This was secured from eBay by Warren, for which thanks a lot. Item (which contained two other wreck pics, will post tomorrow) was sold under the heading: 1930s Indy 500 crashes. This cannot be the case in this instance, it happened on a dirt track, so it would have to be 1909 to be Indy, and then not the 500 which wasn't run until 1911. It also excludes the road races of the era. I have a feeling the driver didn't survive this.
add comments fix pic.
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#100:
1930s/1940s Atlantic Speedway Midget Wreck In Grandstands. Click to enlarge. 3 pics. It's either Gilmore Stadium or Atlantic Speedway, no idea which. Should be Gilmore re: comments.
Click to enlarge. It's either Gilmore Stadium or Atlantic Speedway, no idea which.
Add comments. Remember other small pic.
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