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Re: Various unknown Openwheelers crashes (VIDEO)

Post by theracer120 » 1 year ago

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https://www.efootage.com/stock-footage/ ... ps_-_1955/

Here's a flip at Langhorne from 1955 which I don't remember seeing before, do we know anything about this?

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Post by mattia2 » 1 year ago

theracer120 wrote:
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https://www.efootage.com/stock-footage/ ... ps_-_1955/

Here's a flip at Langhorne from 1955 which I don't remember seeing before, do we know anything about this?
It's a pretty famous crash shot by an unseen before angle. Very interesting. Sadly, i never got who was driving the two cars.

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Formula Atlantic/Indy Lights

https://mega.nz/#!o6IlHCzK!gUtZeLERQdDz ... FlubFHPthU Strange crash in the backstraight at Watkins Glen, probably a mid 80's clip
I'm quite certain that this is Jeremy Hill, 1987 ECAR Formula Atlantic at Watkins Glen (DNF, accident). Hill raced the #00 in other races that year (e.g. Lime Rock). Plus Watkins Glen was only on the calendar in 1987.

https://www.oldracingcars.com/results/r ... aceID=K87H



Will try to get it confirmed.

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hollie3sa wrote:
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mattia2 wrote:
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Formula Atlantic/Indy Lights

https://mega.nz/#!o6IlHCzK!gUtZeLERQdDz ... FlubFHPthU Strange crash in the backstraight at Watkins Glen, probably a mid 80's clip
I'm quite certain that this is Jeremy Hill, 1987 ECAR Formula Atlantic at Watkins Glen (DNF, accident). Hill raced the #00 in other races that year (e.g. Lime Rock). Plus Watkins Glen was only on the calendar in 1987.

https://www.oldracingcars.com/results/r ... aceID=K87H



Will try to get it confirmed.
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Post by hollie3sa » 1 year ago

mattia2 wrote:
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Formula Atlantic/Indy Lights

https://mega.nz/#!o6IlHCzK!gUtZeLERQdDz ... FlubFHPthU Strange crash in the backstraight at Watkins Glen, probably a mid 80's clip
That is indeed Jeremy Hill, 1987 ECAR Formula Atlantic at Watkins Glen

https://www.oldracingcars.com/results/r ... aceID=K87H



Formula Atlantic/Indy Lights

https://mega.nz/#!p2YlSYSD!5TKaRR0MerCD ... pWa9eAIgNg A big crash from Trois Rivieres, don't know anything else.
Not Trois Rivières but Vancouver: Russell Spence (#12) and Carlos Bonetti (#36), 1992 SCCA Toyota Atlantic Championship

http://www.champcarstats.com/atlantic/races/199209.htm



Source: Solved by a combined effort on Facebook, most namely Bryan Cohn and Rob Kozakowski
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Post by hollie3sa » 1 year ago

Hah, the Jeremy Hill one was already solved by @Vassago a year ago :blush: Shame on me.


One plea @mattia2: Please add the ID to your initial post to avoid misunderstandings such as the above.

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Hah, the Jeremy Hill one was already solved by @Vassago a year ago :blush: Shame on me.


One plea @mattia2: Please add the ID to your initial post to avoid misunderstandings such as the above.
You're right, i didn't had anything to the post . i usually add only a SOLVED after the description of the crash. I missed this time.

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3 years ago
Let's start with some F3

https://mega.nz/#!ZyJUFTja!eNy564stV8VE ... uOUzmleROA Strange crash from Zhuhai. a car is left in the middle of the track for an entire lap and is hit by another competitor. SOLVED

Formula Atlantic/Indy Lights

https://mega.nz/#!Z7hHkDhb!Sfq_KDHGxXLL ... 4c8oYskmFI Huge crash from what is seems to be Lime Rock Park, any better version of this video is really appreciated

https://mega.nz/#!o6IlHCzK!gUtZeLERQdDz ... FlubFHPthU Strange crash in the backstraight at Watkins Glen, probably a mid 80's clip SOLVED

https://mega.nz/#!p2YlSYSD!5TKaRR0MerCD ... pWa9eAIgNg A big crash from Trois Rivieres, don't know anything else. SOLVED

Formula BMW

https://mega.nz/#!tyh3RBbI!eHQoMXxSAJbf ... HcLJTHjI9k I'm 99% sure this is Joe Osborne at Thruxton in 2005, i'm posting this one only for double check

Formula Campus

https://mega.nz/#!xzhAlAoC!awBIOrzLsuZS ... vySFvWxEq4 Big crash in one of the esses at Magny Cours, Looks lime Late 90's/Early 2000's

Formula Ford

https://mega.nz/#!xzhAlAoC!awBIOrzLsuZS ... vySFvWxEq4 Start crash at Donington Park, i think it's from 1996, i remember seeing this clip in one of the italian havoc VHS.

https://mega.nz/#!FmJjxCKR!Msn3t41ObNoq ... K0Bq5vlLxs This one has to be the famous crash of Eric Pennington at Oulton Park, sadly i don't remember the year SOLVED

https://mega.nz/#!t3Yn0YjK!LCLjQBhxiBsu ... pEkMhrjzp8 Big rollover from Winton Raceway, looks like Early/mid 80's SEMI-SOLVED It's clear that this crash is from Winton 1992, the driver still isn't that clear.

https://mega.nz/#!on4EASzA!6OG046NFUH-W ... 7QpJhuFc_g Huge Pile-up at the start of a race at Silverstone, many Wheels fly everywhere

https://mega.nz/#!huJDTLAL!N_Zkhjfbfu_j ... ApGM_nu2y4 Two car touches at Knockhill, one of them flies

https://mega.nz/#!smAmybzQ!SMBAgazHYXWy ... m_WCgvbPAo Huge Flip from Phoenix Park, in Ireland. year Unknown

https://mega.nz/#!c75m2aJQ!36zegNyW1d_q ... jTDe4Gpg_E Strange flip at the last chicane at the old Silverstone, seems to be an early 80's video

Formula Renault

https://mega.nz/#!gj5F2ATR!q12JYB-AdnVk ... t9OZb4blSo i don't know anything about this crash, looks to me some asian track, like Zhuhai/Penbay

https://mega.nz/#!s6ISSRYB!xmXbXh_2fqQi ... aZa4defk8E Huge crash at Oulton park, seems a serious crash. SOLVED

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theracer120 wrote:
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https://www.efootage.com/stock-footage/ ... ps_-_1955/

Here's a flip at Langhorne from 1955 which I don't remember seeing before, do we know anything about this?
What makes you think it is not the Thomson/Hoyt crash?
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Post by theracer120 » 1 year ago

I realise it's Thomson/Hoyt now, I just got confused at the time because I didn't remember seeing the first part of the accident where Hoyt flipped.

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Post by hollie3sa » 1 year ago

mattia2 wrote:
1 year ago
mattia2 wrote:
3 years ago
Let's start with some F3

https://mega.nz/#!ZyJUFTja!eNy564stV8VE ... uOUzmleROA Strange crash from Zhuhai. a car is left in the middle of the track for an entire lap and is hit by another competitor. SOLVED

Formula Atlantic/Indy Lights

https://mega.nz/#!Z7hHkDhb!Sfq_KDHGxXLL ... 4c8oYskmFI Huge crash from what is seems to be Lime Rock Park, any better version of this video is really appreciated

https://mega.nz/#!o6IlHCzK!gUtZeLERQdDz ... FlubFHPthU Strange crash in the backstraight at Watkins Glen, probably a mid 80's clip SOLVED

https://mega.nz/#!p2YlSYSD!5TKaRR0MerCD ... pWa9eAIgNg A big crash from Trois Rivieres, don't know anything else. SOLVED

Formula BMW

https://mega.nz/#!tyh3RBbI!eHQoMXxSAJbf ... HcLJTHjI9k I'm 99% sure this is Joe Osborne at Thruxton in 2005, i'm posting this one only for double check

Formula Campus

https://mega.nz/#!xzhAlAoC!awBIOrzLsuZS ... vySFvWxEq4 Big crash in one of the esses at Magny Cours, Looks lime Late 90's/Early 2000's

Formula Ford

https://mega.nz/#!xzhAlAoC!awBIOrzLsuZS ... vySFvWxEq4 Start crash at Donington Park, i think it's from 1996, i remember seeing this clip in one of the italian havoc VHS.

https://mega.nz/#!FmJjxCKR!Msn3t41ObNoq ... K0Bq5vlLxs This one has to be the famous crash of Eric Pennington at Oulton Park, sadly i don't remember the year SOLVED

https://mega.nz/#!t3Yn0YjK!LCLjQBhxiBsu ... pEkMhrjzp8 Big rollover from Winton Raceway, looks like Early/mid 80's SEMI-SOLVED It's clear that this crash is from Winton 1992, the driver still isn't that clear.

https://mega.nz/#!on4EASzA!6OG046NFUH-W ... 7QpJhuFc_g Huge Pile-up at the start of a race at Silverstone, many Wheels fly everywhere

https://mega.nz/#!huJDTLAL!N_Zkhjfbfu_j ... ApGM_nu2y4 Two car touches at Knockhill, one of them flies

https://mega.nz/#!smAmybzQ!SMBAgazHYXWy ... m_WCgvbPAo Huge Flip from Phoenix Park, in Ireland. year Unknown

https://mega.nz/#!c75m2aJQ!36zegNyW1d_q ... jTDe4Gpg_E Strange flip at the last chicane at the old Silverstone, seems to be an early 80's video

Formula Renault

https://mega.nz/#!gj5F2ATR!q12JYB-AdnVk ... t9OZb4blSo i don't know anything about this crash, looks to me some asian track, like Zhuhai/Penbay

https://mega.nz/#!s6ISSRYB!xmXbXh_2fqQi ... aZa4defk8E Huge crash at Oulton park, seems a serious crash. SOLVED
Not exactly what I meant to say. I'm sorry if I wasn't clear enough.
Could you add the name of the drivers involved, the track, the year and probably the series to your first post in this thread? So people don't have to search all the answers for the solution.

As in:
https://mega.nz/#!ZyJUFTja!eNy564stV8VE ... uOUzmleROA Strange crash from Zhuhai. a car is left in the middle of the track for an entire lap and is hit by another competitor. SOLVED

Tyson Sy (#xx) & Gaby dela Merced (#xy), 2006, Zhuhai International Circuit, Asian F3

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Post by hollie3sa » 1 year ago

mattia2 wrote:
3 years ago
Formula Ford
https://mega.nz/#!on4EASzA!6OG046NFUH-W ... 7QpJhuFc_g Huge Pile-up at the start of a race at Silverstone, many Wheels fly everywhere
Some thoughts on this one:
I figured the Formula Ford race might have been a support event e.g. to a BTCC race.


Now to the important stuff:
That design of the Shell Oils advertisement on the start/finish straight was used from ca. 1985 until 1988 from what I was able to find:

1984 British Motorcycle Grand Prix with a differently colored ad



1985 British Motorcycle GP with the same advertisement as in your video.



That same design/color scheme was still used for the 1988 BTCC round at Silverstone:





Then the German commentator mentiones a "She" in his commentary. It's not 100 percent clear to me whether he's really referreing to the accident or just talking to his female co-commentator.



tl;dr:
Probably 1985 - 1988, female driver.

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Post by hollie3sa » 1 year ago

mattia2 wrote:
3 years ago

Formula Ford
https://mega.nz/#!on4EASzA!6OG046NFUH-W ... 7QpJhuFc_g Huge Pile-up at the start of a race at Silverstone, many Wheels fly everywhere


Here's the solution:
Hi, this is from a 1987 Esso Championship race at Silverstone.
The yellow Van Diemen that spins across the track is Antonio Simoes and the red/white Quest that misses the stray wheel is Andrew Guys-Johnson.
Solved by Heroes of FF1600 on Facebook

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