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Post by hollie3sa » 1 month ago

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@Jesper Hvid

Could you forward these, please? I sent them to Nanni a while back but he never replied/updated them.


1.
I've got some more informations about the "unknown"-case from the Saarlouis-track, linked below:
http://motorsportmemorial.org/focus.php?db=ct&n=1548


I already mentioned the accident in my e-mail from about two weeks ago. After a visit in a local newspaper archive, I can finally tell you more about it. All informations are taken from the Saarbrücker Zeitung, issues of 27 May 1972 and 30 May 1972. The article itself was titled: "PS-Premiere mit bitterem Beigeschmack"


1. The track was mentioned to be 4.810 kilometers long. (issue 27 May 1972)

2. The accident happened on Sunday, 28 May 1972

3. The accident happened on lap 10 of the 12 lap race for the Ford Escort-Cup. The drivers involved were Norbert Kürschner from Viersen, driving the #166 car and Rainer Schmidt (#172) from Hannover.

Kürschner crashed into the abutment of a bridge of the "Bundesstraße B10". His car disintegrated and Schmidt crashed into the wreckage. Kürschner got off better with "only" several broken bones. Schmidt suffered severe head injuries.

The race was not stopped after the accident, parts of the wrecks were still covering the track for the rest of the competiton. That, according to the police, led to a delay in the rescue of the drivers of about "seven to eight minutes".
The following day, Monday 29 May 1972, Schmidt was transferred to the Homburg university hospital - the same hospital in which Walter Neubauer would die after his accident three years later - still in a (critical) life-threatening condition.

I can not confirm nor deny that the accident was indeed fatal.



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Hi Lucas,
thanks for your mail. Jimmy Dunne raced a Mini at Mondello Park and the Phoenix Park motor races.
While the story of his passing has clouded with the passing of time this is a brief description of what happened.
It was a Saturday test day. Alan Moore of Carlow raced a Hillman Imp at the same time He had gone off the circuit in testing and made contact with the bank at turn three..
Jimmy apparently stopped to make sure his fellow driver was ok. Having rejoined the circuit, Jimmy then went off at the final corner, hitting the bank and subsequently rolling the car.. The reason was a burst brake pipe and unfortunately he suffered a broken neck in the incident.

He was very popular and known as a real character in motor racing circles at the time.
He was born in 1948 and was from Drimnagh in Dublin.

I hope this helps,

Leo Nulty
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/106381485/jim-dunne (@Sedre)

http://motorsportmemorial.org/focus.php?db=ct&n=4215

Credits for the 2nd one to Leo Nulty of motorsport.ie

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Post by Motorsportrace » 1 month ago

hollie3sa wrote:
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@Jesper Hvid

Could you forward these, please? I sent them to Nanni a while back but he never replied/updated them.


1.
I've got some more informations about the "unknown"-case from the Saarlouis-track, linked below:
http://motorsportmemorial.org/focus.php?db=ct&n=1548


I already mentioned the accident in my e-mail from about two weeks ago. After a visit in a local newspaper archive, I can finally tell you more about it. All informations are taken from the Saarbrücker Zeitung, issues of 27 May 1972 and 30 May 1972. The article itself was titled: "PS-Premiere mit bitterem Beigeschmack"


1. The track was mentioned to be 4.810 kilometers long. (issue 27 May 1972)

2. The accident happened on Sunday, 28 May 1972

3. The accident happened on lap 10 of the 12 lap race for the Ford Escort-Cup. The drivers involved were Norbert Kürschner from Viersen, driving the #166 car and Rainer Schmidt (#172) from Hannover.

Kürschner crashed into the abutment of a bridge of the "Bundesstraße B10". His car disintegrated and Schmidt crashed into the wreckage. Kürschner got off better with "only" several broken bones. Schmidt suffered severe head injuries.

The race was not stopped after the accident, parts of the wrecks were still covering the track for the rest of the competiton. That, according to the police, led to a delay in the rescue of the drivers of about "seven to eight minutes".
The following day, Monday 29 May 1972, Schmidt was transferred to the Homburg university hospital - the same hospital in which Walter Neubauer would die after his accident three years later - still in a (critical) life-threatening condition.

I can not confirm nor deny that the accident was indeed fatal.



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Hi Lucas,
thanks for your mail. Jimmy Dunne raced a Mini at Mondello Park and the Phoenix Park motor races.
While the story of his passing has clouded with the passing of time this is a brief description of what happened.
It was a Saturday test day. Alan Moore of Carlow raced a Hillman Imp at the same time He had gone off the circuit in testing and made contact with the bank at turn three..
Jimmy apparently stopped to make sure his fellow driver was ok. Having rejoined the circuit, Jimmy then went off at the final corner, hitting the bank and subsequently rolling the car.. The reason was a burst brake pipe and unfortunately he suffered a broken neck in the incident.

He was very popular and known as a real character in motor racing circles at the time.
He was born in 1948 and was from Drimnagh in Dublin.

I hope this helps,

Leo Nulty
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/106381485/jim-dunne (@Sedre)

http://motorsportmemorial.org/focus.php?db=ct&n=4215

Credits for the 2nd one to Leo Nulty of motorsport.ie
Is the first case the one you mentioned here?
viewtopic.php?f=44&t=14293&p=295787#p295787

EDIT: No, obviously not. But... can you tell me more about it? When the crash supposedly happened, etc.
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Post by hollie3sa » 1 month ago

Isn't everythin you need to know in there already?

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Post by Motorsportrace » 1 month ago

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Isn't everythin you need to know in there already?
Only the year it supposedly happened is missing.
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Post by hollie3sa » 1 month ago

Well, yeah: 1972.

I have a picture of the accident somewhere. Aftermath footage exists as well. Both cars were badly mangled. The footage is only available in the archive at the premises of the local TV channel (SR). The picture, I might be able to share.

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Post by Motorsportrace » 1 month ago

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Well, yeah: 1972.

I have a picture of the accident somewhere. Aftermath footage exists as well. Both cars were badly mangled. The footage is only available in the archive at the premises of the local TV channel (SR). The picture, I might be able to share.
Hidden camera, and you've done it. :cool:

No, I'm joking. I'd like to see the picture, if you still have it.

It would be interesting to get that video. I suppose it would be really expensive, or, even, the TV Station wouldn't give it to private citizens, but only to businesses (as RAI does).
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Post by hollie3sa » 1 month ago

The archive is kept alive by one single, elderly man. He's very kind and likeable as well. Wouldn't want to screw him over
Plus, that small room in the basement of one of their buildings with the rolls of film and the old television set makes modern technology such as a real camera really conspicous :happy:

They actually do sell copies of their programmes. I sent them a list with the items I'm interested in as well shortly after I visited their archive. It's not cheap to acquire material from there but not too expensive. The problem is: When I was there, their contractor who produced a digital copy of their 16mm-footage ceased his services. At the time, they were looking for a replacement.
Good thing you remind me. Will try to give them a call this week and see where we are.



I have the picture. Of course I have. Why wouldn't I? But I wanted to keep it private for as long as I'm working on the Saarlouis circuit stuff. Be patient :wink:

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Post by Motorsportrace » 1 month ago

Ok, don't worry, I'll be patient.
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Post by Sedre » 2 weeks ago

I don't know if @hollie3sa already knows about it, but MM.org updated page about 1972 Saarlouis accident:

http://www.motorsportmemorial.org/focus ... =ct&n=1548

citing his e-mail.

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Post by hollie3sa » 2 weeks ago

Sedre wrote:
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I don't know if @hollie3sa already knows about it, but MM.org updated page about 1972 Saarlouis accident:

http://www.motorsportmemorial.org/focus ... =ct&n=1548

citing his e-mail.
I didn't. Thank you! Although what's on mm.org clearly is different from what I wrote. I send him two e-mails, so he's probably only worked through the first one.

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Post by hollie3sa » 1 week ago

hollie3sa wrote:
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Sedre wrote:
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I don't know if @hollie3sa already knows about it, but MM.org updated page about 1972 Saarlouis accident:

http://www.motorsportmemorial.org/focus ... =ct&n=1548

citing his e-mail.
I didn't. Thank you! Although what's on mm.org clearly is different from what I wrote. I send him two e-mails, so he's probably only worked through the first one.
...which is exactly the case. I'm sure an update will follow soon! :smiley:

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Post by Jesper Hvid » 1 week ago

Jesper Hvid wrote:
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Federico Fratelli, new case (not submitted yet): https://www.khaleejtimes.com/nation/dub ... autodrome-
Processed:

http://www.motorsportmemorial.org/focus ... ms&n=12679
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Post by Jesper Hvid » 1 week ago

Preston Humphries' correction processed (wrong vehicle #):

http://www.motorsportmemorial.org/focus ... =ct&n=6446
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Post by Sedre » 7 hours ago

I don't know if @Jesper Hvid received e-mails about his messages, so:

Created pages to Leonardo Woronko, Oscar Pollo (both - recce for 2018 Rally de San Francisco del Monte de Oro) and Miguel Zorzi (tests for 2016 Rally de Concordia):
http://www.motorsportmemorial.org/focus ... ct&n=12698
http://www.motorsportmemorial.org/focus ... ct&n=12699
http://www.motorsportmemorial.org/focus ... ct&n=12702

Corrected vehicle number for 1970 Kanonloppet spectator fatal accident:
http://www.motorsportmemorial.org/focus.php?db=ct&n=297
http://www.motorsportmemorial.org/focus.php?db=ct&n=298
http://www.motorsportmemorial.org/focus.php?db=ct&n=299
http://www.motorsportmemorial.org/focus.php?db=ct&n=300
http://www.motorsportmemorial.org/focus.php?db=ct&n=301

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Post by Jesper Hvid » 4 hours ago

I did.
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