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Post by PTRACER » 5 years ago

I'm proud to say that we have now surpassed 500 entries :happy:

The British crashes project is continuing to evolve and another few dozen entries have been added. I will continue to input these until they are exhausted, and then I will take over the pre-1950 Grand Prix crashes from PLAYLIFE as I'm eager to get it done. DJF is continuing to make excellent progress with the NASCAR side of things and is nearing his 100th entry.

If anyone wants to take on a project, no matter how small, please get in touch. All it involves is searching this forum for posts in Crash Photos and by typing in a year, a driver's name, or a track name. Even if only a small handful of photos are found as a result, it makes ALL the difference.
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Post by Motorsportrace » 5 years ago

I could add all the WRC fatalities I've found.
If Wikipedia is right, only two haven't been found yet. If anything exists.
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Post by hollie3sa » 5 years ago

Are we collecting Motorcycle/sidecar fatalities as well? That would be my turn then.

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Post by Motorsportrace » 5 years ago

It's really difficult to find motorcycle fatalities.
Compared to racing cars fatalities, there are really few images here.
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That makes the few motorcycle fatality photos even more significant tbh. I would suggest making a list of what you have before proceeding.

Motorsportrace, could you finish off the F1 fatalities before you move on to WRC fatalities? The database is missing F1 testing accidents at the moment. I compiled this list of F1 drivers killed in non-WDC races (including testing). I will do the non-F1 testing ones, so if you can handle the Castellotti and the Depailler etc., I'll do the rest. 'DONE' means they are already in the CPDB thanks to other projects.

Michele Alboreto
Stefan Bellof
Jean Behra
Erwin Bauer
Georges Berger
Harry Blanchard
Felice Bonetto
Jo Bonnier
Ivor Bueb
Giulio Cabianca
Piero Carini
Eugenio Castellotti
Ettore Chimeri
Jim Clark
Elio De Angelis
Charles de Tornaco
Patrick Depailler
Nasif Estefano
Luigi Fagioli
Joe Fry
Jo Gartner
Ignazio Giunti
Walt Hansgen
Paul Hawkins - DONE
Pierre Levegh
Jean Lucienbonnet
Herbert MacKay Fraser
Guy Mairesse
Tim Mayer
Brian McGuire - DONE
Bruce McLaren - DONE
Silvio Moser
Pedro Rodriguez
Ricardo Rodriguez
Louis Rosier
Peter Ryan
Ludovico Scarfiotti
Harry Schell
Archie Scott-Brown
Jo Siffert - DONE
Mike Spence - DONE
Rolf Stommelen - DONE
Dennis Taylor
Ken Wharton
Peter Whitehead
Justin Wilson
Manfred Winkelhock
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Post by Motorsportrace » 5 years ago

PTRACER wrote:That makes the few motorcycle fatality photos even more significant tbh. I would suggest making a list of what you have before proceeding.

Motorsportrace, could you finish off the F1 fatalities before you move on to WRC fatalities? The database is missing F1 testing accidents at the moment. I compiled this list of F1 drivers killed in non-WDC races (including testing). I will do the non-F1 testing ones, so if you can handle the Castellotti and the Depailler etc., I'll do the rest. 'DONE' means they are already in the CPDB thanks to other projects.

Michele Alboreto
Stefan Bellof
Jean Behra
Erwin Bauer
Georges Berger
Harry Blanchard
Felice Bonetto
Jo Bonnier
Ivor Bueb
Giulio Cabianca
Piero Carini
Eugenio Castellotti
Ettore Chimeri
Jim Clark
Elio De Angelis
Charles de Tornaco
Patrick Depailler
Nasif Estefano
Luigi Fagioli
Joe Fry
Jo Gartner
Ignazio Giunti
Walt Hansgen
Paul Hawkins - DONE
Pierre Levegh
Jean Lucienbonnet
Herbert MacKay Fraser
Guy Mairesse
Tim Mayer
Brian McGuire - DONE
Bruce McLaren - DONE
Silvio Moser
Pedro Rodriguez
Ricardo Rodriguez
Louis Rosier
Peter Ryan
Ludovico Scarfiotti
Harry Schell
Archie Scott-Brown
Jo Siffert - DONE
Mike Spence - DONE
Rolf Stommelen - DONE
Dennis Taylor
Ken Wharton
Peter Whitehead
Justin Wilson
Manfred Winkelhock
I can do that.

Of the Fatal F1 testing accidents, we miss only Bob Anderson - But I doubt we'll find anything, since it was a private test (and we know what the British press used to do).
I wouldn't include Cameron Earl in the testing crashes, since he was driving an ERA just for fun in 1952 at MIRA:
http://motorsportmemorial.org/focus.php?db=ct&n=4540
(we discussed it some years ago here: viewtopic.php?f=44&t=11856&p=194671#p194694)

I suppose, in the future, I should include the Non-championship F1 fatalities (F2 in 1952-1953). Of those, we don't have anything about Harry Schell and Shane Summers (but, again, these crashes happened in Great Britain).
I wouldn't include Martin Brain and Jack Smith, since they were driving F1 cars, but competing in a private meeting which had nothing to do with F1.
http://motorsportmemorial.org/focus.php?db=ct&n=4203
http://motorsportmemorial.org/focus.php?db=ct&n=3590

The event is important, not the driven car.
Else we should include Spencer Flack, Fritz Glatz, Joe Dawson-Damer, ...

And, about the F1 drivers killed in non-WDC races, I think there are many, many more.
But hey, we're all doing what we can. :thumbsup:

EDIT: I'll upload Giulio Cabianca's testing crash too, but he wasn't driving an F1 car, and he wasn't looking to compete in the 1961 WDC. I'll mark it as "Formula Intercontinental".
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Post by PTRACER » 5 years ago

Nope, I may have missed one or two names, these are genuinely ALL the Grand Prix drivers who were killed competing in another event.

Regarding the Schell, someone should try another email to Topfoto:
viewtopic.php?f=26&t=86&p=272893&hilit= ... ll#p272888

Dawson-Damer has been added already. Flack, Glatz, Brain, Smith...does material exist for those?
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Post by Motorsportrace » 5 years ago

PTRACER wrote:Nope, I may have missed one or two names, these are genuinely ALL the Grand Prix drivers who were killed competing in another event.
Really? Well, this is really good, then. :thumbsup:
PTRACER wrote:Regarding the Schell, someone should try another email to Topfoto:
viewtopic.php?f=26&t=86&p=272893&hilit= ... ll#p272888
I've tried to check every possible source, but I can't find anything.
I'm sure a photo exists, since I have two of him some seconds before the crash.
The Topfoto photo could be a portrait of the driver, with the usual caption "Harry Schell, an American racing driver, was killed yesterday during...", who knows.
PTRACER wrote:Dawson-Damer has been added already. Flack, Glatz, Brain, Smith...does material exist for those?
For Flack and Glatz yes:
viewtopic.php?p=24921#24921 (Spencer Flack)
viewtopic.php?f=44&t=11214&p=178898#p178898 (Friedrich "Fritz" Glatz)
About the other two, I don't have anything.
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Post by Jesper Hvid » 5 years ago

My Le Mans job will add 250 or so new entries. Sorry I haven't had the time to do it yet.
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Post by PTRACER » 5 years ago

One project at a time :thumbsup: We could do with another four or five helpers at least though. I'll send out another mass email.
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Post by Motorsportrace » 5 years ago

I've added all the F1 testing fatalities.
Should I add the Non-championship drivers fatalities?
They should be: Greifzu, De Tornaco, Alborghetti, Schell, Summers, Rodriguez, Hocking, Siffert.
I'm considering F2 fatalities in 1952-1953, since the World Drivers Championship was run under F2 rules those years.
Siffert is already in the database; We don't have anything about Schell and Summers.
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Post by PTRACER » 5 years ago

Please!

I'll start working on my list above before the end of the week, then I'll move on to pre-1950 Grand Prix crashes :)
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Post by DaleJuniorFan » 5 years ago

I'm slowly starting to fill the empty void of fatal NASCAR crashes in between the non-fatal stuff I've posted.

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Post by PTRACER » 5 years ago

DaleJuniorFan wrote:I'm slowly starting to fill the empty void of fatal NASCAR crashes in between the non-fatal stuff I've posted.
Doing a great job so far. Just wondering, are you planning to omit any crashes from the CPDB? There's at least one crash in every single race these days, and I'm not so sure it would be historically significant to record each one...
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Post by DaleJuniorFan » 5 years ago

PTRACER wrote:
DaleJuniorFan wrote:I'm slowly starting to fill the empty void of fatal NASCAR crashes in between the non-fatal stuff I've posted.
Doing a great job so far. Just wondering, are you planning to omit any crashes from the CPDB? There's at least one crash in every single race these days, and I'm not so sure it would be historically significant to record each one...
I suppose it depends on the type of motorsport each contributor is handing. It's easier in my case because stock car races tend to have large car counts, meaning multi-car incidents are more probable to occur than in F1, sports car/endurance racing, rally cars, etc. There's still plenty of major/significant stock car crashes I still need to record before I have to tackle that issue.

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