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Post by PTRACER » 5 months ago

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17 entries for STC is more than the WTCC are getting this year.

Apparently only 15 cars are entered for the opening round at Marrakesh. I think the words "oh dear" are appropriate.
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Post by Cheeveer » 5 months ago

Yes, that is not very reassuring. And just one more car is expected for the rest of the WTCC season.
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Post by John » 5 months ago

PTRACER wrote:17 entries for STC is more than the WTCC are getting this year.

Apparently only 15 cars are entered for the opening round at Marrakesh. I think the words "oh dear" are appropriate.
I've said it before, and I'll say it again. The WTCC is irrelevant. The world championship doesn't carry enough weight to be a factor for teams and cars anymore. Even on national levels, tin-top racing isn't what is used to be. They failed to produce something exciting after the Super Tourers were scrapped. The BTCC up until 2000 was a behemoth, and when they scrapped the super tourers, nothing that has come since has been remotely as exciting. Their main competitor is DTM, which is way more awesome sauce than the WTCC.
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Post by kals » 5 months ago

The WTCC is irrelevant because the rules set is irrelevant. WTCC is going through similar to STCC. The rules may look and sound attractive yet they don't attract manufacturer longevity for the series and the cars are too expensive for most privateers to either build themselves or buy as a year old model.

Let's remember that the WTCC only restarted (about 10-12 years ago) because the ETCC wanted to be recognized as a global series and do a couple of global races (Macau, Brazil, Mexico...) and the ETCC was created a couple of years beforehand because local series in France, Italy and Germany were struggling to maintain good entry numbers so organisers decided to merge those series into EuroSTC.

If you are a privateer team then for the cost of WTCC there are other series to choose from, maybe not touring cars. Blancpain, WEC, Belcar, 24hr Endurance Series, British GT, the list goes on.

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Post by erwin greven » 5 months ago

kals wrote:If you are a privateer team then for the cost of WTCC there are other series to choose from, maybe not touring cars. Blancpain, WEC, Belcar, 24hr Endurance Series, British GT, the list goes on.
Creventic started the 24H Endurance Series because they wanted to give privateers a possibility to race on proper circuits for a very reasonable price. That is why they use the, at first sight silly looking, standard fuel pump rigs, so teams don't have to buy a fuel rig for them self.
It is a very open series. That is why it allows GT3 cars to compete too. But when you have a proper race car, and you want to race on a proper race track/series, you can go to Creventic. And if there is no specific class for your car, they will create one.
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Post by PTRACER » 5 months ago

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PTRACER wrote:17 entries for STC is more than the WTCC are getting this year.

Apparently only 15 cars are entered for the opening round at Marrakesh. I think the words "oh dear" are appropriate.
I've said it before, and I'll say it again. The WTCC is irrelevant. The world championship doesn't carry enough weight to be a factor for teams and cars anymore. Even on national levels, tin-top racing isn't what is used to be. They failed to produce something exciting after the Super Tourers were scrapped. The BTCC up until 2000 was a behemoth, and when they scrapped the super tourers, nothing that has come since has been remotely as exciting. Their main competitor is DTM, which is way more awesome sauce than the WTCC.
And now the DTM has announced an 18-car grid for 2017. It gets worse and worse. Endurance racing seems to be prospering quite nicely, but touring car racing is falling off a cliff in all corners of the globe.

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Post by erwin greven » 5 months ago

At twitter the DTM has some 32k followers. You would expect the WTCC would have multiple figures of that. No. Only 3 times of that. 94k.

Go to FIA WEC series: 191,000
Go to Imsa series: 98,000
Go to WTCC: 94,000
Go to DTM: 32,000
Go to Blancpain GT series: 25,000
Go to Creventic 24h series: 13,500
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Post by PTRACER » 5 months ago

Facebook is an entirely different story:

FIA WEC: 228,492
DTM: 607,778
WTCC: 877,831
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Post by erwin greven » 5 months ago

so you could say they attract a total different fanbase.

WTCC never attracted me, even when Tom Coronel and Jaap van Lagen doing well there.
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Post by Cheeveer » 4 months ago

STCC visits Finland for the first time this weekend. 20 cars on the grid in Alastaro. Lilja didn't get his finances in order, Andreas Andersson couldn't repair his car in time, and Kottulinsky is racing in ADAC GT Masters, but Ekblom is there in a 3rd KMS VW Golf and Finnish LMS Racing have all 5 cars there, and Joonas Lappalainen makes his first appearance.
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Post by hollie3sa » 2 months ago

The Norisring delivers again.
Absolutely insane finish to an entertaining second race with a very lucky Edo Mortara sneaking into 3rd position in the last corner.

Here it is:



The last couple of laps alone are worth a watch!

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Post by erwin greven » 2 months ago

not available for outside Germany. @hollie3sa
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Post by PTRACER » 2 months ago

I can see it :thumbsup:
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Post by erwin greven » 2 months ago

De gebruiker die de video heeft geüpload, heeft deze video niet beschikbaar gemaakt in jouw land.

not visible for me.

I can see this one:
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Post by Cheeveer » 1 month ago

Karlskoga Gelleråsen's "Kanonloppet" ("Cannon Race") is this weekend. Fingers are really itching to go. It's STCC's blue riband event, if any. Lot's of support classes, including Carrera Cup, Swedish GT and Legends cars. 22 cars are entered for STCC and 15 in Swedish GT, the biggest GT field I can ever remember since around 2000!

Full entry lists:
http://www.karlskogamotorstadion.com/fi ... inetta.pdf
http://www.karlskogamotorstadion.com/fi ... rmelgt.pdf
http://www.karlskogamotorstadion.com/fi ... ochpro.pdf

Time table for Sunday (SVT stream starts just before STCC race 2):

09.00 Warm up STCC
09.20 Test Legends Pro
09.40 Race 2 Roadsport A+B
10.00 Race 2 Roadsport C
10.25 Race 1 Porsche Carrera Cup Scandinavia
11.00 Race 1 STCC
11.25 Kval Legends Pro
11.45 Race 2 Ginetta
12.05 Race 2 Modsport
12.25 Race 1 Legends Pro
13.45 Race 2 STCC Race 2
14.10 Race 2 Porsche Carrera Cup Scandinavia
14.40 Race 2 Formula STCC Nordic
15.05 Race 2 Swedish GT
15.55 Race 3 STCC
16.30 Race 2 Legends Pro
16.50 Race 2 RS/Clubman
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