Some F1 fatal crashes requests

[Jesper Hvid]

Bottom post of the previous page:

(maybe Andrews, but that's not F1 and not my specialty)

Technically, it was.

[EB]

(maybe Andrews, but that's not F1 and not my specialty)

Technically, it was.

I disagree. But I'm sure you'll cope.

[Jesper Hvid]

Well, obviously not driving technically. I mean the '57 500 was 3rd rd. of the F1 WDC.

[EB]

Well, obviously not driving technically. I mean the '57 500 was 3rd rd. of the F1 WDC.

Well, part of the WDC, but it wasn't the F1 WDC in those days, as 1952 and 1953 proved.

Not one of the 1957 Indy field was a legal F1 car.

[Motorsportrace]

From 1950 to 1960 the Indianapolis 500 was an F1 race.

[Cheeveer]

From 1950 to 1960 the Indianapolis 500 was an F1 race.

No, it was just included in the World Drivers Championship. Until the early 80's Formula 1 was a car formula, not a championship. In 1952 & 53 the WDC was decided with Formula 2 cars, except for Indy.

[Jesper Hvid]

Let's suppose, for the sake of argument, that Ascari had crashed and died at Indy in 1952.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ferrari_375_F1

Would that qualify for the list.

[EB]

Would that qualify for the list.

Different argument, we were talking about 1957.

Most of the cars that ran in the Indy 500 from 1950 to 1953 were legal F1 cars (the 6.6 litre turbocharged Cummins diesel being a rather obvious exception!).

In 1954 though, the F1 engine limit fell to 2.5 litres (and I think just 750cc for supercharged engines), whilst the Indy 500s were full of 4.2 litre Offys and the occasional 2.7 litre supercharged Offy.

They were emphatically not F1 cars!

[Jesper Hvid]

From 1950 to 1960 the Indianapolis 500 was an F1 race.

No, it was just included in the World Drivers Championship. Until the early 80's Formula 1 was a car formula, not a championship. In 1952 & 53 the WDC was decided with Formula 2 cars, except for Indy.

Most of the cars that ran in the Indy 500 from 1950 to 1953 were legal F1 cars.

Thank you.

[Jesper Hvid]

From 1950 to 1960 the Indianapolis 500 was an F1 race.

Yes.

[Motorsportrace]

Would that qualify for the list.

Different argument, we were talking about 1957.

Most of the cars that ran in the Indy 500 from 1950 to 1953 were legal F1 cars (the 6.6 litre turbocharged Cummins diesel being a rather obvious exception!).

In 1954 though, the F1 engine limit fell to 2.5 litres (and I think just 750cc for supercharged engines), whilst the Indy 500s were full of 4.2 litre Offys and the occasional 2.7 litre supercharged Offy.

They were emphatically not F1 cars!

Ok, I understood, but now don't start a fight.

[Jesper Hvid]

When you regard F1 fatalities, regardless of session, you need to include the Indy 500s of 1950-60, just as you yourself reasoned. Otherwise, it all just loses meaning. Thus, the Carl Scarborough relief video of 1953 becomes instrumental. I suggest you download that.

[EB]

Ok, I understood, but now don't start a fight.

Wasn't trying to, just explaining my reasons for disagreeing

[Jesper Hvid]

viewtopic.php?f=36&t=1824&p=192810#p192810

This video shows Carl Scarborough's withdrawal from the 1953 Indy 500, making him the first fatal victim of F1 racing.

[EB]

This video shows Carl Scarborough's withdrawal from the 1953 Indy 500, making him the first fatal victim of F1 racing.

Are you doing this on purpose????

[Motorsportrace]

viewtopic.php?f=36&t=1824&p=192810#p192810

This video shows Carl Scarborough's withdrawal from the 1953 Indy 500, making him the first fatal victim of F1 racing.

Thank you, but the first fatal victim of F1 probably was Cameron C. Earl, trying an ERA car in the MIRA circuit, 1952.