The 'Questions That Don't Warrant Their Own Thread' Thread

[PTRACER]

Bottom post of the previous page:

US GP 2005 is a must.

[erwin greven]

Lotus 88 in 1981.
The strikes early 1980's.
Maybe the Brabham BT46. why it was abandoned... (BERNIE saw $$$).

[EB]

Having a pit signal REG and another one REC, that mean virtually opposite things.

[Everso Biggyballies]

I'm writing an article on the famous intelligence failures in F1 history. I'm including BRM 1950 and today's qual farces, of course.

Anyone have any suggestion on events worth including?

I seem to remember a number of protest taking months to finalise results that led to confusion in 1976, from rear wing heights in Spain (which led to dsq for Hunt and Laffite leaving Lauda the winner. DSQ overuled later in the year, reinstating Hunt as winner.) Illegal fuel (at Monza) when the McLarens were ordered to start rear of grid (as Hunt closed on Lauda for the title). Hunt dsq'd from his Brands win, giving the win to Lauda....but DSQ not confirmed until two months after the race.

Racism at the races?

The lead pellets added as ballast post race by the non turbo cars in I think 1984?

The Brabham Fan Car? Or the Lotus 88?

Canada 1973 when the SC picked up the wrong car allowing the eventual winner (Revson) to pass and ultimately do a lap less than anyone else?

The BAR team being made scapegoat in and banned with their illegal fuel tanks within a tank that were known to being used by all teams.

As mentioned (just noticed it) US GP 2005.

Depending on the sort of incidents you are looking for, Spygate, crashgate, even Spankgate with Max?

[PTRACER]

The Brabham Fan Car, the lead pellets as ballast...I'm not sure how they could be examples of an absence of intelligence. The first one was an innovation.

I'll also submit this:

[Cheeveer]

Thanks for the suggestions guys. I'm mostly looking for short-sightedness. I'll obviously include Indy 2005. I may also include Colin Chapman's way of short-fueling Andretti's car repeatedly in 1977-78.

[Everso Biggyballies]

The Brabham Fan Car, I'm not sure how they could be examples of an absence of intelligence. The first one was an innovation.

Yeah but the FIA could not officially ban it because it was totally legal and met the regs. Bernie (then Brabham owner) agreed to withdraw the car from future events because everyone would have needed to come up with their own version, and would have had to spend bulk $$ doing so. So Bernie agreed to withdraw the car from future events as long as the win stood.... the FIA (FISA?) agreed, and then promptly banned it as a concept.

[Ian-S]

Toyota F1 program, throw bucket loads of money at effort thinking that's all that's needed for success (could also apply to BMW).

[erwin greven]

The Brabham Fan Car, the lead pellets as ballast...I'm not sure how they could be examples of an absence of intelligence. The first one was an innovation.

I'll also submit this:

http://images.car.bauercdn.com/upload/3 ... s/2003.jpg

Was this not the same guy at Hockenheim 2001? (oh, i hate these memories of that last race on the old layout. After 15 years it still hurts seeing the cars take a right turn they would have entered the woods. To me still the biggest sin: the Hockenheim slaughter.)

[MonteCristo]

The Brabham Fan Car, the lead pellets as ballast...I'm not sure how they could be examples of an absence of intelligence. The first one was an innovation.

I'll also submit this:

http://images.car.bauercdn.com/upload/3 ... s/2003.jpg

Was this not the same guy at Hockenheim 2001? (oh, i hate these memories of that last race on the old layout. After 15 years it still hurts seeing the cars take a right turn they would have entered the woods. To me still the biggest sin: the Hockenheim slaughter.)

I think the Hock guy was a disgruntled Merc/BMW/Audi/whatever employee.

I hate the new track.

[Ian-S]

He was a pissed off Merc employee demonstrating at a recent factory closure (and redundancies) iirc. It's why he waited in the woods for so long until a McLaren got a good enough lead that his adventure screwed them over.

[Cheeveer]

Anyone else remember a sports car championship that was supposed to happen in 1999, but was cancelled due to Mercedes, Nissan, Audi and Toyota all withdrew? But I can't find anything on it. There seems to have been a race planned at the Norisring meeting that Mercedes intended to run, but then Le Mans happened (I don't know if it was to be a Mercedes exhibit or a proper race, sounds like a proper race). And then there were the Fuji 1000 that November, though it sounds like it never was intended to be a championship race.

Ring any bells?

[PTRACER]

This is the only 'failed' series I remember from around that time:
viewtopic.php?f=62&t=6626

I can't find a calendar anywhere though, it may have been an exclusively British series, and you're thinking of something else.

[Everso Biggyballies]

Anyone else remember a sports car championship that was supposed to happen in 1999, but was cancelled due to Mercedes, Nissan, Audi and Toyota all withdrew? But I can't find anything on it. There seems to have been a race planned at the Norisring meeting that Mercedes intended to run, but then Le Mans happened (I don't know if it was to be a Mercedes exhibit or a proper race, sounds like a proper race). And then there were the Fuji 1000 that November, though it sounds like it never was intended to be a championship race.

Ring any bells?

Doesnt ring any bells but did Mercedes not drop out of Sports Cars abrubtly after 'design flaws in the CLR aero' were found. Seem to recall them withdrawing all cars that were still running after the flip-over incidents over the course of the Le Mans weekend. From memory the Mercedes brand have not competed at Prototype levels since then. Other brands in the top division struggled to justify the increasing costs of participation and also left or cut back activity. That may have influenced participation in any additional events. Especially with the planned intro of ALMS and ELMS. Maybe?

I sort of remember rumours of an Asia-Pacific Le Mans Series that was going to be run after Adelaides 'Race of a Thousand Years', but that never materialised due to a lack of interest. That is the only thoughts I can add off the top of my head.

Edit: Just read PT's post and linked stuff.

[Cheeveer]

Hmm. What Im thinking of was planned for 1999, but cancelled in January or February 1999 due to lack of entries. I might just be thinking of the FIA GT championship which ditched GT1 ahead of 1999 (but IIRC GT1 was dropped from FIA GT was announced already during tbe 1998 season). I may also be thinking of the SportRacing world cup series that was around back then.

http://www.racingsportscars.com/photo/N ... 09-05.html

[Everso Biggyballies]

God there was some fine looking automotive porn around back then. Thanks for that link.