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Post by Michael Ferner » 1 month ago

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Count the bloopers!

Incredible! I grew up believing German F1 presenters were the worst in the world - you definitely had it worse, my commiseration. :(
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Post by JBT » 1 month ago

I can't comment because I've never listened to any German TV commentary. Can you link to any examples, Michael?
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Post by erwin greven » 1 month ago

I think the advertisements were even worse. I can remember the German GP at Hockenheim early 90's: They went into a commercial break at Lap 4. They came back in Lap 11.
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Post by Michael Ferner » 1 month ago

That was the Schumacher effect! More apm (ads per minute) than rpm in an F1 engine. Luckily, Eurosport also showed F1 live then, and even better, they had good commentary (Ben Edwards & John Watson) because RTL (who held the German rights) didn't allow German commentary on Eurosport! So, I generally only watched RTL during the (fewer) commercial breaks on Eurosport.

@JBT, not a specific example, but if you understand German, maybe you can find something on youtube. Generally, things improved when RTL took over in 1984, and even before that you could listen to Austrian presenter Heinz Prüller on ORF if you were lucky. The big German broadcasters ARD and ZDF generally didn't have a motor sport specialist, so you could end up with a horse racing expert or one for synchronized swimming! Awful. :annoyed:
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Post by NathanF11989 » 1 month ago

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I think the advertisements were even worse. I can remember the German GP at Hockenheim early 90's: They went into a commercial break at Lap 4. They came back in Lap 11.
Good grief! I thought the ad breaks in 1997 during Hill's overtaking manoeuvre on Schumacher in Hungary and the break during the Luxembourg GP in which everything changed were bad enough, but imagine how much coverage that would cost, especially on a fast circuit like Hockenheim!

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More of a blunder than a moment, but the 1969 Italian GP last lap (the only bit left that the BBC has? I know the whole race from French TV is knocking around though) as the lead pack were coming down to the Parabolica - Murray corrected by the producer / floor manager in the commentary booth beside him:

Is this the earliest known recording we have of Murray commentating on an F1 race or are there earlier ones circulating as well?
I think its his earliest surviving TV recording of F1 commentary. A few years ago I did some research to put together a list of Murray's pre 1978 'Grand Prix' programme F1 commentaries and came up with the below list:

1949 British GP (Radio)
1957 Oulton Park Gold Cup? (Radio)
1969 Monaco Grand Prix - with Innes Ireland (TV)
1969 German GP (TV)
1969 Italian GP (TV)
1970 Oulton Park Gold Cup - with Graham Hill (TV)
1971 Oulton Park International Spring Trophy (TV)
1971 Oulton Park Gold Cup (TV)
1972 International Trophy (TV)
1972 Rothmans 50,000 (TV)
1973 International Trophy (TV)
1974 International Trophy (TV)
1974 British GP (Radio)
1974 German GP (TV)
1975 Race of Champions - with Jackie Stewart (TV)
1975 International Trophy - with Jackie Stewart (TV)
1975 Monaco GP - with Jackie Stewart (TV)
1975 British GP - with Jackie Stewart (TV - highlights)
1976 Race of Champions - with Jackie Stewart (TV - highlights)
1977 British GP (Radio - pit commentator)
1977 British GP (TV - filmed highlights)
1977 Italian GP - with Alain de Cadenet (TV - highlights)
1978 International Trophy - with Peter Gethin

So for TV, there would only be the '69 Monaco and German GP that were earlier than the '69 Italian GP, with those most likely long gone (or never recorded in the first place). The list came from his name's appearance in the BBC Genome website which covers what appeared in the Radio Times magazine between the late 1920's and early 2000's. So it's not gospel, as what was printed in the magazine might have had a last minute program or commentator change. Or similarly, Murray might have subbed in for regular commentator Raymond Baxter after the magazine was printed, for a GP - we may never know!

Stranger things turn up out of the blue though - for about half a century no one thought there was any surviving footage of the Beatles only live Top of the Pops appearance apart from one rumoured copy owned by a collector in the USA who wanted big £££ for it. Then two separate recordings of sections of their appearance were within a couple of months of each other about a year or so ago...

One thing I left off the list as it wasn't F1 - Murray also did the 1967 Le Mans 24hrs for the BBC, which I believe was his first car TV commentary.
Thank you very much for compiling and sharing this JBT. Since we're discussing Murray's moments, I wonder what could qualify as the earliest known "Murrayism".

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Post by White six » 1 month ago

Michael Ferner wrote:
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Count the bloopers!

Incredible! I grew up believing German F1 presenters were the worst in the world - you definitely had it worse, my commiseration. :(
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Michael Ferner wrote:
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Count the bloopers!

Incredible! I grew up believing German F1 presenters were the worst in the world - you definitely had it worse, my commiseration. :(
You don't get it
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Post by Michael Ferner » 1 month ago

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White six wrote:
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Michael Ferner wrote:
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Count the bloopers!

Incredible! I grew up believing German F1 presenters were the worst in the world - you definitely had it worse, my commiseration. :(
You don't get it
Don’t forget Germans are all about accuracy and precision ;)
You forgot the full stop at the end of your sentence.

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Post by White six » 1 month ago

One of the great things with Murray was your own favourite could be leading the race at any time for a second, while he changed his mind to the next guess

You even stood a chance if your guy was being lapped

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Post by NathanF11989 » 1 month ago

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One of the great things with Murray was your own favourite could be leading the race at any time for a second, while he changed his mind to the next guess

You even stood a chance if your guy was being lapped
This is very true. Sometimes your favourite driver could even be leading twice. "David is catching Coulthard for the lead" being one example in particular.

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