Senna's legacy protected by his death - discuss

[White six]

Hypothesis.

He was on a downslope and was to be thrashed by Schumacher for a few years. Could have retired a rather frustrated and grumpy figure which would have accentuated the earlier faults of his career

Or

He'd have got the better of the German and won more titles

[MonteCristo]

Given what Hill achieved as a fairly mediocre driver, Senna would have likely won at least either the 1994 or 1995 season.

If he then stuck around for 1996, he would have won that too with Villenenuve as a rookie, assuming the world kept turning the same way with driver moves/car strengths. Maybe by 1997 Jacques would have bettered him.

[PTRACER]

I think 1993 with that POS McLaren showed Senna was still on top of his game. In fact, probably even better than he was in 1989/1990/1991.

So I agree with Monte, he could have won any and all of the championships from 1994 to 1997 had he continued. He wouldn't have put up with any of Schumacher's shit for sure. He died younger than Lewis Hamilton is now and no one could say Lewis is 'past it', so age is not a factor.

[White six]

I think 1993 with that POS McLaren showed Senna was still on top of his game. In fact, probably even better than he was in 1989/1990/1991.

So I agree with Monte, he could have won any and all of the championships from 1994 to 1997 had he continued. He wouldn't have put up with any of Schumacher's shit for sure. He died younger than Lewis Hamilton is now and no one could say Lewis is 'past it', so age is not a factor.

Schumacher's car would have been sponsored by ocmra

[White six]

I think 1993 with that POS McLaren showed Senna was still on top of his game. In fact, probably even better than he was in 1989/1990/1991.

So I agree with Monte, he could have won any and all of the championships from 1994 to 1997 had he continued. He wouldn't have put up with any of Schumacher's shit for sure. He died younger than Lewis Hamilton is now and no one could say Lewis is 'past it', so age is not a factor.

Anyone could continue until the age of 50 if they were allowed to in these monkey machines tbh. Very different to wrestling 90's cars round a track

[Everso Biggyballies]

Keeping fit enough to handle the g-forces would be the biggest problem .... specially the neck. So says Hulk anyway after only a few months out and continuing to train he said he really suffered when he got back in.

[Cheeveer]

Given what Hill achieved as a fairly mediocre driver, Senna would have likely won at least either the 1994 or 1995 season.

If he then stuck around for 1996, he would have won that too with Villenenuve as a rookie, assuming the world kept turning the same way with driver moves/car strengths. Maybe by 1997 Jacques would have bettered him.

I would sign on this too. I think Villeneuve would have been a much better driver if he would have had a better driver alongside him at Williams, if he'd had Hill or even Senna, he would have to raise his game a lot more, with Frentzen there he didn't have to. Remember, JV was a monster in qualifying early on in 1997 (gap of 1,8s in Melbourne, 0,6s in Brazil, 0,8s in Argentina, 0,3 at Imola).

If Senna would have gotten the hang on the '94 car and could have built on that, him and JV would have been the 90's powerhouse we would remember. Very different personalities, but up to 94/98 they both always delivered.

[sadsac]

As i loved Senna i think between himself and Williams they defo would have won the 1994 title as his incredible understanding of the cars also his engineers would have solved his early season woes BUT it would have been so close possibly Schumachers Black flag at Silverstone costing him the title
Another site gave their thoughts on how many more Ayrton would have won and i agree
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he would retire at the end of 1999 season

[Cheeveer]

As i loved Senna i think between himself and Williams they defo would have won the 1994 title as his incredible understanding of the cars also his engineers would have solved his early season woes BUT it would have been so close possibly Schumachers Black flag at Silverstone costing him the title
Another site gave their thoughts on how many more Ayrton would have won and i agree
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the rest is just some very loose hyptheticals and speculations, but 1994 you can kind of puzzle together, but this ain't it. The Williams he was supposed to drive had mechanical DNF's in 3 more races (Spain, France, Germany), meaning by Spain he would have been 26 points behind Schumacher (if he'd won at Imola and come 2nd at Monaco as that suggests). 32 behind after France. 22 after Germany. So even if he'd ran out of fuel at Monza like Coulthard did, he could have gained enough points by season's end.

[White six]

Keeping fit enough to handle the g-forces would be the biggest problem .... specially the neck. So says Hulk anyway after only a few months out and continuing to train he said he really suffered when he got back in.

Could see them installing pillows for Istanbul . Been a few years. There and mugello could prove too extreme for these cars

[DoubleFart]

The Black Flag at Silverstone wouldn't have happened. Butterfly effect.

[sadsac]

Its just sad that we were robbed of such a talented driver as Ayrton and me for one would have loved the battles he possibly could have had with Michael over the remainder of the 1990s
Alas sadly never got the chance

[NathanF11989]

With due respect, I disagree with the premise that Senna would have been "thrashed" by Schumacher. To be certain, he had a troubled start to the 1994 season - somewhat akin to Mansell in 1991 - with three straight retirements; a spin in Brazil, a first-corner collision at Aida and then, sadly, San Marino. Had he lived, I think he would have been hard-pressed to become champion in 1994, although I think he would have maintained his mastery in Monaco and started his fightback there. From 1995 onwards I think he would have become increasingly difficult to beat. Sadly we can only ever speculate about this, but I see him retiring in 1997 - the same year as his good friend Gerhard Berger - having become champion in 1996 and '97.

[White six]

Any suggestions for actors in Senna the Netflix series?

What are they doing about the boyfriend?

[Everso Biggyballies]

I dont see the point of it (another Senna movie/series) tbh. It sounds from what I have read that it will be like the last Senna movie... a depiction of Senna as a 'his shit doesn't stink' sort of character where all others are evil and he is a Saint.
As the producers have said,“the type of person we need, a young man that fought for his dream and faced many obstacles in order to represent a nation.” It just sounds cheesey.
The one thing about it is that it is said to not cover his childhood but only covers from 1981 when he arrived in the UK until his death. I guess I watched him race live enough times in those early years of FF2000, and was able to see his career progress, so that side of it might be interesting, but the rest of his career, well I was only interested in watching him during the last few minutes of qualifying. That was special and worth witnessing live.