Favourite Grand Prix Car - 1950s

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Favourite Grand Prix Car - 1950s

Alfa Romeo 158/9
1
8%
BRM Type 15
1
8%
BRM P25
0
No votes
Cooper T43
0
No votes
Cooper T51
0
No votes
Ferrari 500
0
No votes
Ferrari 625
0
No votes
Lancia D50
3
25%
Maserati 250F
4
33%
Mercedes-Benz W196
1
8%
Mercedes-Benz W196 Streamliner
1
8%
Vanwall VW 5
0
No votes
OTHER
1
8%
 
Total votes: 12

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Post by PTRACER » 1 month ago

For the winter period, I will be starting a new series where we vote for our favourite Grand Prix cars from each decade.

The criteria is 100% down to you - Speed, beauty, success, historical importance, anything goes. EDIT: I decided to add a poll.
  • Alfa Romeo 158/9
  • BRM Type 15
  • BRM P25
  • Cooper T43
  • Cooper T51
  • Ferrari 500
  • Ferrari 625
  • Lancia D50
  • Maserati 250F
  • Mercedes-Benz W196
  • Mercedes-Benz W196 Streamliner
  • Vanwall VW 5
Let's go!
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Post by PTRACER » 1 month ago

I will immediately go to the OTHER option, because as fast or iconic as many of the above cars may be, my favourite Grand Prix car of the 1950s is actually the Talbot-Lago T26C. I don't know how effective it was, but it's a really pretty car and it just looks "right".

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Post by Everso Biggyballies » 1 month ago

The Talbot Lago is indeed beautiful. Luckily enough I get to see one in the flesh a couple of times a year in Aus. Vern Schuppan races his one regularly.
Another beauty overlooked in your list Paul is the Maserati 250F

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Post by Everso Biggyballies » 1 month ago

In fact I dug a few photos out from the archive of the Talbot Lago....

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Vern Schuppan warming up....

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I have others somewhere but cant find them atm. I left a couple of portable HDs in Spaain at Mums by mistake. :annoyed:


As an aside I think the 26C misses the 1950s boat.... I know Schuppans is a 1948 model. :wink: Doesnt detract from its beauty though

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Post by PTRACER » 1 month ago

Looks great! I saw one in the flesh at Goodwood about 15 years ago. I bet Vern drives it properly too.

To be honest, half the cars which ran in the 1950 season dated from 1949 or earlier. Cuth Harrison's ERA B which he entered into the 1950 British GP was actually built in 1936!
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Post by Everso Biggyballies » 1 month ago

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Looks great! I saw one in the flesh at Goodwood about 15 years ago. I bet Vern drives it properly too.
You betcha Vern drives it hard, despite being now 75 I think.
A quote from the VHRR (Victorian Historic Race Register) who promote the PI race.
At the Phillip Island historics it was a joy to
watch one of Australia’s greatest international
aces, Vern Schuppan, four-wheel drifting his
1948 Talbot-Lago 4.5 litre grand prix car though
turn twelv
e in the J, K, Lb and Invited races.
Interviewed after one of the races, Schuppan
said he was having problems with the preselector gearbox and future outings would
mainly be demonstrations and regularity, but
he had made an exception to race the valuable
($1m plus) car at Phillip Island, which he
described as one of the best tracks in the world.

By the final race on Sunday he had overcome
the gearbox issues to finish in second place,
only shaded by the much newer 2.5 litre T50
Cooper-Climax driven by Adam Berryman
A bit of the cars history here, and also comments from Vern about why he had to buy it:
For Schuppan, who has his extensive and impressive career CV headlined by a victory in the 1983 Le Mans 24 hour in a Porsche 956, it will be a boyhood dream come true when he gets behind the wheel of the post-war French racer.

It is believed there were only 23 Talbot-Lago racers built and, like Schuppan, the car not only had grand prix consistency, but also a Le-Mans 24 hour victory in 1950.

Schuppan,who was born on Booleroo Centre and raised in Whyalla South Australia, travelled with his parents and sister Patrea for more than four hours in a Vanguard to attend the 1955 Australian Grand Prix at Port Wakefield.

“The 1955 Australian Grand Prix at Port Wakefield was my first ever motor racing event,”said Schuppan.

“Jack Brabham won the race from Reg Hunt, but I always had a fascination with the Talbot-Lago which Doug Whiteford drove to third place.

“There was just something about the car that has stuck with me all these years.

“Dad actually shot the race on an 8mm camera and I still have the footage.”

Whiteford also contested the 1956 Australian Grand Prix at Albert Park in the car and finished eighth in the 22-car field behind the works Maseratis 250Fs of Stirling Moss and Jean Behra after overheating problems crushed his chances.

Schuppan’s car had its debut in the 1948 San Marino Grand Prix and ran in Europe until being shipped to Australia for the 1955 season.

On debut at the 1955 Argus Trophy race at Albert Park Whiteford beat Stan Jones, the father of future world champion Alan Jones, to the chequered flag.

The race, which was open to Formula Libre Racing Cars, was contested over 32 laps, a distance of 100 miles (160km).

It was organised by the Light Car Club of Australia and sponsored by The Argus, a Melbourne newspaper.

The car actually ran in the Bathurst 100 as part of the Australian Drivers’ Championship in 1957 at the hands of Ralph Snodgrass, who finished third behind Arnold Glass (HWM-Jaguar) and Jack Robinson (JRS-Jaguar).

It has its last start at Sydney’s old Mount Druitt track later that year and did not officially race again until an historics meeting at Sandown International Raceway in 1985, after being totally restored by Reg Hunt.

The car was most recently owned by long-time racer and enthusiast Ron Townley, who will also be competing in another of his vehicles this weekend despite his 80-plus years.

“I always loved seeing the car at Phillip Island or Albert Park and always made a point of going and talking to Ron and looking over the car,” said Schuppan.

“At Phillip Island last year I was told the car was for sale and I knew I had to do a deal.

“There were a lot of guys from the UK and other parts of the world and the last thing we needed was this car heading back to Europe after being here all its life.

“We cut and deal and here we are.

“It is really cool and I have to pinch myself when I think about personally owning this car.”

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Post by PTRACER » 1 month ago

Awesome! I wonder if the article meant the San REMO GP of 1948, not the San Marino GP.

What car are you going for in this poll @Everso Biggyballies ?
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Post by Everso Biggyballies » 1 month ago

PTRACER wrote:
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Awesome! I wonder if the article meant the San REMO GP of 1948, not the San Marino GP.

What car are you going for in this poll @Everso Biggyballies ?
I think you might be right about it being the San Remo GP not San Marino. Imola did not exist in the 1940's. Construction began in March 1950. The first test run took place two years later when Enzo Ferrari sent a car to the track and Alberto Ascari ran some demonstration laps.
The San Remo GP was in 1948, albeit non championship, but sported an entry of 5 Talbot Lagos.
Result/entry list: https://www.motorsportmagazine.com/data ... grand-prix

I love the Talbot, but also love the Maserati 250 F. And the Mercedes, oh and the Vanwall! Decisions decisions! It was a brilliant decade for gorgeous cars.

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Post by Michkov » 1 month ago

Imola is also not in San Marino, the connection is only there because Italy/Ferrari got two GPs and Bernie just declared it the San Marino GP. Same reason their bike GP is at Misano.

I'm going with the D50. Highly innovative car that bankrupted Lancias racing department. Nice what could have been if they kept developing against the Mercs.
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Post by Cheeveer » 1 month ago

It's just glorious.

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also, why not?

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Alfa Romeo 159 Alfetta

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Post by Everso Biggyballies » 1 month ago

Michkov wrote:
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I'm going with the D50. Highly inovative car that bankrupted Lancias racing department. Nice what could have been if they kept developing against the Mercs.
Beautidul sounding car too (as was the BRM).
Here is the sound of the D50....


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Post by PTRACER » 1 month ago

The BRM V16 looks a bit on the chunky side to me, but awesome engine note.

Does anyone think this is good looking?

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Post by Everso Biggyballies » 1 month ago

@PTRACER the P25 was quite stunning though....

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Bonnier at Zandvoort
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Im stuck between the Maserati, others are the P25 and the Vanwall. The Vanwall was always my favourite 'Dinky' toy as a kid.

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Post by PTRACER » 1 month ago

@Everso Biggyballies It looks quite presentable in the top photo, but quite bulbous in the second.

As for the Vanwall, I honestly think it is one of the ugliest cars of the 1950s :oops:

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