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Re: Which butchered circuit do you miss the most?

Posted: Sat Nov 09, 2019 01:10 am
by kals

Latest post of the previous page:

For me Silverstone was butchered from 1994 onward. For a lot of people it was butchered the time the Woodcote chicane was first installed. I get Paul's point on Spa. While the circuit is almost untouched the swaths of tarmac run-off have taken away it's soul.

Re: Which butchered circuit do you miss the most?

Posted: Sat Nov 09, 2019 06:53 am
by SB83
For me, Silverstone was butchered after they got rid of Bridge corner in the most recent reconfiguration. From Bridge to Priory was the most exhilarating part of the track for me. Trulli's accident there in 2004 showed how high the consequences were for getting it wrong. Now, it's just a no-identity flat section that looks like any other part of the track.

And you need a few corners like that. Where all but the greatest drivers pretty much resign themselves to driving it at 9/10 or else crash like Trulli. Pre-2005 130R at Suzuka was another like that, but they made it lame after the MotoGP fatality there. Same of course, goes for bends like Pouhon at Spa, thanks to the asphalt runoff instead of gravel.

Re: Which butchered circuit do you miss the most?

Posted: Sat Nov 09, 2019 09:52 am
by PTRACER
SB83 wrote:
10 months ago
For me, Silverstone was butchered after they got rid of Bridge corner in the most recent reconfiguration. From Bridge to Priory was the most exhilarating part of the track for me. Trulli's accident there in 2004 showed how high the consequences were for getting it wrong. Now, it's just a no-identity flat section that looks like any other part of the track.
I got to race on that layout just before they closed it. Honestly, coming out of the Abbey Chicane, down the little hill under the bridge, it was such an amazing view.

Re: Which butchered circuit do you miss the most?

Posted: Sat Nov 09, 2019 09:53 am
by erwin greven
Silverstone was already butchered before. When they build in the Woodcote (Scheckter)-chicane in 1974.

But even today i like the modern layout of Silverstone. The only track i still can not stand is the modern Hockenheim.

Re: Which butchered circuit do you miss the most?

Posted: Sat Jan 25, 2020 10:28 am
by Andy
Hockenheim and Assen !
I dislike Hockenheim so much that I never returned to it since its rebuilt into Penisdrome.
And Assen .... I really enjoyed the first section before the circuit was rebuild and shortened in order 'to get more laps so that the spectator would see the vehicles more often' bullshit.
Spa as well but there everything iconic as well as challengable has been made into gigantic parking lots instead of ruining the circuits shape entirely

Re: Which butchered circuit do you miss the most?

Posted: Sat Jan 25, 2020 11:16 am
by erwin greven
I already mentioned Hockenheim. Would also add Brno, Assen (7,7km layout was magnificent) and to some extent: Interlagos. The first two banked corners. The fast sweepers...

Re: Which butchered circuit do you miss the most?

Posted: Sat Jan 25, 2020 19:32 pm
by Andy
SB83 wrote:
10 months ago
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And you need a few corners like that. Where all but the greatest drivers pretty much resign themselves to driving it at 9/10 or else crash like Trulli. Pre-2005 130R at Suzuka was another like that, but they made it lame after the MotoGP fatality there. Same of course, goes for bends like Pouhon at Spa, thanks to the asphalt runoff instead of gravel.
130R had been revised prior to Daijiro Katos fatal accident at the motorcycle chicane way on from 130R, in 2003. However, the FIM demanded more changes, handed the MotoGP round to Motegi in 2004 and from 2005 when revisions did finish, never did return

Re: Which butchered circuit do you miss the most?

Posted: Mon Jan 27, 2020 14:16 pm
by Michael Ferner
I'm always surprised to see people mourn the old Hockenheim track, considering it was totally boring. But Interlagos is a good call, that was magnificent in ist old 8k configuration!

Re: Which butchered circuit do you miss the most?

Posted: Tue Jan 28, 2020 02:26 am
by PTRACER
Michael Ferner wrote:
8 months ago
I'm always surprised to see people mourn the old Hockenheim track, considering it was totally boring. But Interlagos is a good call, that was magnificent in ist old 8k configuration!
Boring for who? Not for me. It was the last true flat out, slip streaming circuit on the calendar.
Andy wrote:
8 months ago
I dislike Hockenheim so much that I never returned to it since its rebuilt into Penisdrome.
:haha:

Re: Which butchered circuit do you miss the most?

Posted: Tue Jan 28, 2020 09:47 am
by Michael Ferner
PTRACER wrote:
8 months ago
Boring for who?
Boring for drivers and spectators. Nobody liked it in my time. Guess things have changed, when even a borodrome is mourned - you guys don't even know what you've missed out on!

Re: Which butchered circuit do you miss the most?

Posted: Tue Jan 28, 2020 11:44 am
by MonteCristo
Michael Ferner wrote:
8 months ago
PTRACER wrote:
8 months ago
Boring for who?
when even a borodrome is mourned - you guys don't even know what you've missed out on!
Probably true.

But I still miss it, and what they replaced it with is a fkn joke.

Re: Which butchered circuit do you miss the most?

Posted: Tue Jan 28, 2020 14:31 pm
by Michael Ferner
Is it really that bad? It doesn't look bad, compared to, say, Silverstone.

Re: Which butchered circuit do you miss the most?

Posted: Tue Jan 28, 2020 22:36 pm
by erwin greven
I fkn hate Hockenheim now. And still love Silverstone.

Re: Which butchered circuit do you miss the most?

Posted: Wed Jan 29, 2020 02:46 am
by MonteCristo
Michael Ferner wrote:
8 months ago
Is it really that bad? It doesn't look bad, compared to, say, Silverstone.
Both are dire.

Re: Which butchered circuit do you miss the most?

Posted: Wed Jan 29, 2020 04:44 am
by PTRACER
Michael Ferner wrote:
8 months ago
PTRACER wrote:
8 months ago
Boring for who?
Boring for drivers and spectators. Nobody liked it in my time. Guess things have changed, when even a borodrome is mourned - you guys don't even know what you've missed out on!
But not for the most important thing of all, TV.




Re: Which butchered circuit do you miss the most?

Posted: Wed Jan 29, 2020 09:43 am
by MonteCristo
PTRACER wrote:
8 months ago
Michael Ferner wrote:
8 months ago
PTRACER wrote:
8 months ago
Boring for who?
Boring for drivers and spectators. Nobody liked it in my time. Guess things have changed, when even a borodrome is mourned - you guys don't even know what you've missed out on!
But not for the most important thing of all, TV.



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