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Re: Motorsports Circuit Database

Post by Michkov » 6 months ago

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@PTRACER Sure.

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@PTRACER Sure.
Same email address in your profile right?
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Post by Michkov » 6 months ago

Yes

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Post by Michkov » 6 months ago

Something very old this time. The 1913 & 1915 layout for the Point Loma Road races in San Diego. Wasn't even in the database just a grey entry in the index.

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Post by Michkov » 5 months ago

Formula E track #2 Beijing Olympic Park

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Post by Michkov » 5 months ago

I got question regarding Brands Hatch. My usual googling and watching old races narrowed it down but not nearly enough.

In short what I got now is. It starts in 1932 with an unpaved* Indy circuit sans Druids ran the wrong way (I). The whole thing got paved in 1950. 53 saw the addition of Druids and the first clockwise races.
Next up we got the addition of the GP loop in 1960 together with permanent pits. The track stayed the same for 16 years until Paddock and Cooper got moved around plus the current pitlane was build.
Then Westfield and Dingle Dell got modified in 88, Graham Hill Bend in 99 and finally Dingle Dell got straightened out again in 03.

That's the big changes, leaves me with the following questions:
  1. When did they stop running Brands in reverse, latest I found was 1969 sidecars on the GP loop
  • There is a 2nd strip of tarmac linking Clearway back to Surtess. Do we know why this was build and when? The first it showed up is in a 1967 trackmap.
  • There is a small Kart track north of Paddock Hill Bend. Again the question when was it build**
  • The chicane at pit in. Is this in permanent usage these days or are is it taken out depending on series?
  • Finally the big one, Rallycross. Sources indicate the first RX race was in 1976 I got no further information on the layout. In 81 another(?) layout Imagewas build and used till the end of the 1990, see bottom of the link. Finally there seems to be one used in 2003. And I have no clue when that one was started being used or when Rallycross went away from Brands. Because the Paddock RX cut disappears between 09 and 11.
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    This layout seems never to have been used. At least I cant find anything on this but the various RCDB clones as a source for this image.
That's about all of it. Question V is the most important one but any information is highly appreciated. Pictures below for reference.

*I'm given up on MX tracks btw, because this becomes an unending nightmare of finding all the yearly variations. This includes the scramble tracks around the woods that would become the GP loop.

** There is a huge gap in Google Earths historic coverage jumping from 1960 to 1990, hence all the timeline questions.

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Post by PTRACER » 5 months ago

1972:

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Circuit was modified in early 1976.
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Post by erwin greven » 5 months ago

According to Google Earth (not that reliable in time), setting the history slider on 1990 Turn 4 is not altered yet.
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Post by Michkov » 5 months ago

I got the main circuit info, that is easy to come by. The minor changes are hard to track down.

@PTRACER that pictures is new to me anymore where that one came from?

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Post by hollie3sa » 5 months ago

PTRACER wrote:
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1972:

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Circuit was modified in early 1976.
This photo was taken in 1964 according to the official Brands Hatch facebook page.

>>Click here<<

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Post by Michkov » 4 months ago

Do we know when Brands stopped being run the right way? I got footage of sidecars running CCW as late as 69.

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Do we know when Brands stopped being run the right way? I got footage of sidecars running CCW as late as 69.
In the early 70's they ran CCW too.


I hoped this site would help, but it doesn't .
Clockwise
In 1954 it was decided to reverse the direction of the circuit and drivers began racing clockwise for the first time creating Paddock Hill bend, a daunting downhill sweeping right hander.
https://www.500race.org/web/Perspective ... Hatch.html

Maybe asking it here: https://www.facebook.com/events/1941126426149286/ or sent a mail to the official track.
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Post by Michkov » 4 months ago

I already tried but they havn't replied, it's been over a week. I dont think they'll get back to me.

I guess I'll stick it in the open questions at the bottom of the page.
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Post by Sedre » 4 months ago

I don't want to disrupt your Brands Hatch discussion, but I want to make some correction about "Tblisi" racing circuit in Georgia.

Actually, city's correct name is "Tbilisi", but more interesting, there were two racing circuits in Georgia's capital.

First of them was street circuit located in Vake-Saburtalo district of Tbilisi, so it's usually was called as "Tbilisi" circuit. It held races of USSR Championship in 1960s before fatal accident in April 1967, where Volga of Bayzet Bedzhashev crashed into group of spectators, killing 6 people and injuring about dozen. Unfortunately, I don't found any circuit maps for this track.

Second one is located in city of Rustavi, about 12 km south-east of Tbilisi. It was built in 1979 and was one of most complex Soviet racing circuits - including nearby motocross track, kart circuit and area for racing triatlon (hybrid of autoslalom and some techniques from practical tests for driving's licence in Russia). Despite Rustavi was more developed circuit, it wasn't popular as it was located far from main auto racing centres in Union (Baltic countries, Moscow, Leningrad and Kiev) and organization of races was criticized, including work of firefighters and doctors (however, only recorded Rustavi fatality was Mikhail Loginov, who suffered heart attack during practice for round of USSR Touring Championship in 1989). After fall of Soviet Union, Rustavi was almost abandoned and rarely held official races, before in 2009 Russian-Georgian racing driver and businessman Shota Abkhazava bought it and reconstructed. It was reopened in 2012 as Rustavi International Motorpark.

Drawing in your database belongs to old Rustavi circuit (http://www.ussr-autosport.ru/tracks/rustavi.html), while new one have three different variants (I have some strange feelings to post there link to Wikipedia, but still: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rustavi_I ... _Motorpark)

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Post by Alonsomania » 4 months ago

Moving back to Brands, here's two screencaps from a '67 F3 race, if this is of any help:

https://imgur.com/a/yg31C4A

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Post by Michkov » 4 months ago

Alonsomania wrote:
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Moving back to Brands, here's two screencaps from a '67 F3 race, if this is of any help:

https://imgur.com/a/yg31C4A
At this point layouts are done, just needs exporting and building the html file.
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All that I need is some ancillary information, specifically when they stopped running CCW and when the kart track was build.

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I don't want to disrupt your Brands Hatch discussion, but I want to make some correction about "Tblisi" racing circuit in Georgia.

Actually, city's correct name is "Tbilisi", but more interesting, there were two racing circuits in Georgia's capital.

First of them was street circuit located in Vake-Saburtalo district of Tbilisi, so it's usually was called as "Tbilisi" circuit. It held races of USSR Championship in 1960s before fatal accident in April 1967, where Volga of Bayzet Bedzhashev crashed into group of spectators, killing 6 people and injuring about dozen. Unfortunately, I don't found any circuit maps for this track.

Second one is located in city of Rustavi, about 12 km south-east of Tbilisi. It was built in 1979 and was one of most complex Soviet racing circuits - including nearby motocross track, kart circuit and area for racing triatlon (hybrid of autoslalom and some techniques from practical tests for driving's licence in Russia). Despite Rustavi was more developed circuit, it wasn't popular as it was located far from main auto racing centres in Union (Baltic countries, Moscow, Leningrad and Kiev) and organization of races was criticized, including work of firefighters and doctors (however, only recorded Rustavi fatality was Mikhail Loginov, who suffered heart attack during practice for round of USSR Touring Championship in 1989). After fall of Soviet Union, Rustavi was almost abandoned and rarely held official races, before in 2009 Russian-Georgian racing driver and businessman Shota Abkhazava bought it and reconstructed. It was reopened in 2012 as Rustavi International Motorpark.

Drawing in your database belongs to old Rustavi circuit (http://www.ussr-autosport.ru/tracks/rustavi.html), while new one have three different variants (I have some strange feelings to post there link to Wikipedia, but still: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rustavi_I ... _Motorpark)
Feel free to disrupt the discussion. Any information is appreciated, especially given that most of the page is outdated by at least 10 years. I'll plan on getting around to fixing it. Graphics will take longer, typos I'll fix when I upload Brands.

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