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1967 Monaco - Bandini's fatal crash

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Re: 1967 Monaco - Bandini's fatal crash

Post by coland » 2 months ago

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It could just be a bit of distortion, but is that right front looking like coming off the rim?
Looks it.
I think it is just an illusion created by the color and design of the rim. Look at these other pictures from Bandini himself and also Amon:

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If you zoom in the Amon one looks even more evident, so I suppose it is just the way the Ferrari's tyres worked.

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Post by PTRACER » 2 months ago

That image with Bandini's head to one side is odd. Is it doctored somehow?

I found this which shows him in a similar pose, but he is clearly correcting a slide:

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/imag ... F&usqp=CAU

I wonder if he locked his rear brakes?
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Post by coland » 2 months ago

PTRACER wrote:
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That image with Bandini's head to one side is odd. Is it doctored somehow?

I found this which shows him in a similar pose, but he is clearly correcting a slide:

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/imag ... F&usqp=CAU

I wonder if he locked his rear brakes?
They showed it in an Italian documentary about Bandini's life. Although Italian tv can be very bad I don't think they can go that low, so I am pretty sure the image is authentic.

In this onboard shot taken the same year from the exact same place in wich the picture was taken you can see that Bandini was clearly looking at the escape route:

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Post by MonteCristo » 2 months ago

coland wrote:
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MonteCristo wrote:
2 months ago
ReneLotus wrote:
2 months ago
It could just be a bit of distortion, but is that right front looking like coming off the rim?
Looks it.
I think it is just an illusion created by the color and design of the rim. Look at these other pictures from Bandini himself and also Amon:

Image Image

If you zoom in the Amon one looks even more evident, so I suppose it is just the way the Ferrari's tyres worked.
It's seeing the white paint on the road behind it that makes it stand out though. To me it does look like the tyre is moving massively sideways (like you might get if you were turning really hard - but the wheels themselves don't seem to be greatly angled).

You can see the bottom of the tyre underneath the tyre, but above it it's really pushed in.

Granted, it's a bit like that on the right tyre, but no where near as much.

That said, maybe he was turning fairly hard, which is what is causing his body to move across?
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Post by coland » 2 months ago

MonteCristo wrote:
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coland wrote:
2 months ago
MonteCristo wrote:
2 months ago
ReneLotus wrote:
2 months ago
It could just be a bit of distortion, but is that right front looking like coming off the rim?
Looks it.
I think it is just an illusion created by the color and design of the rim. Look at these other pictures from Bandini himself and also Amon:

Image Image

If you zoom in the Amon one looks even more evident, so I suppose it is just the way the Ferrari's tyres worked.
It's seeing the white paint on the road behind it that makes it stand out though. To me it does look like the tyre is moving massively sideways (like you might get if you were turning really hard - but the wheels themselves don't seem to be greatly angled).

You can see the bottom of the tyre underneath the tyre, but above it it's really pushed in.

Granted, it's a bit like that on the right tyre, but no where near as much.

That said, maybe he was turning fairly hard, which is what is causing his body to move across?
I got your point and the tyre it is definitely more stressed than in the other pictures.

According to my theory (and of some others) Bandini lost the car in the breaking zone. If you look frame by frame the very start of the amateur video showing his crash, it is pretty clear to me that the car is pointing towards the left guardrail, Bandini corrects the oversteer and avoid crashing there but the car is now too much towards the inside of the ideal racing line, about beside Surtees in the first picture but more to the left, so he must give more steering angle to try to put the car in, hence the bigger deformation of the tyre.

Bandini had probably less of a second thinking of what to do (taking the escape route or try to go through the chicane) and considering he almost did it against all odds (he touched the shell board only with the back wheel) it is even more sad.

We can than speculate up to the end of time on what caused that oversteer in the first place but as I said before the exhausted driver theory is simply ridiculous.

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Post by mstnrc » 2 months ago

I HAVE ANOTHER DOUBT: THE IMAGE APPEARS CRUSHED. AS YOU CAN SEE BY COMPARING THE PHOTO WITH THE OTHER PUBLISHED PHOTOS, THE TIRES ARE NARROWER AND HIGHER

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I HAVE..... AND HIGHER
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Post by coland » 2 months ago

mstnrc wrote:
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I HAVE ANOTHER DOUBT: THE IMAGE APPEARS CRUSHED. AS YOU CAN SEE BY COMPARING THE PHOTO WITH THE OTHER PUBLISHED PHOTOS, THE TIRES ARE NARROWER AND HIGHER
You are right, it is because that is a still from a video, so it was deformed by the video aspect ratio, I didn't notice it. Anyway I have found the actual picture and it looks pretty the same in all aspects.

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Post by Motorsportrace » 3 weeks ago

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sadsac wrote:I did not know the day before his fatal crash he had another crash in practice at Monaco :amazed
https://uk.pinterest.com/pin/475903885604435160/
maybe the resulting damage could have attributed to his accident the next day :wink:
This is completely new to me! But we will have to write it off, it would have had nothing to do with his fatal crash. On the other hand, if this is proof that he was driving too hard all weekend...

Regarding his gears - it looks like it's in 4th gear, but I don't think it's actually in the "gate". i think it's in neutral, between 4th and 5th.
Bandini crashed during practice, got back to the pits, then went out again to test the car, which front-right suspension was damaged:
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A worried Bandini watches his car being repaired:
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From the Corriere Della Sera archive.
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Post by sadsac » 3 weeks ago

I wonder was the front suspension that was damaged in his crash the day before replaced or just repaired for the race ???

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